To: Jimbobwae who wrote (5036 ) 11/3/2002 2:15:24 AM From: velociraptor_ Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10157 Doesn't look like the 8/20 EMA is all that reliable to call it bullish. They crossed up briefly in March and August this year as well for a short period only to collapse back down. Anyone that bought on that indicator, bought at the top. not to say it will do the same thing, but just that I wouldn't call it a reliable indicator at this point. OBV is in a slightly negative to sideways downtrend. There's not enough data to say it is in a positive trend with only 1 day crossed up. Stochastics bouncing off the 50 is meaningless. All it says is we have an uptrend right here. We could go back to overbought, but we could also dip back down...if we dip back down before we hit overbought again though, we have a very strong negative divergence. Anytime stochastics turn back up or down before an extreme is reached, one has to be put on alert because it tends to form a stochastics compression pattern which eventually leads to failure which could be in 1 day or a week or so. Stochastics really needs to pull back at least 75% to work off enough overbought to make a full run again. Note the stochastics pattern in mid March to show how soon it can dip back down. Also, note the compression pattern in stochastics in August that eventually leads to failure. The weekly 8/20 ema has not crossed over to bullish and the OBV...well, I just can't see how one can say anything bullish or bearish about it looking at past data. I don't use PnF so I can't comment on it, but in my opinion, it doesn't show all the nuances of price movement by simply showing x's and o's for price blocks. I think you're missing out on a lot of data. Just my opinion on PnF though I am sure some people use it successfully. 1st of month buying doesn't predict the rest of the month. It happens all the time. Fed run...buy the rumour, sell the news? The arguement about the bears and bulls is an indication of bullishness that is out there. In fact, sentiment readings are very high. At extreme levels, sentiment readings are contrarian not validating. I think the holiday shopping season is already screwed up, by the way. Has a lot to do with debt levels. Mortgage refinancing out the wazoo already, credit card debt at out of control levels...where are people going to get the money?