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To: Berry Picker who wrote (33856)	11/2/2002 6:08:26 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 39621

Electric pretends to know how to write those steps to salvation booklike posts....but yet cannot ask forgiveness for his sin.....

To: Berry Picker who wrote (33856)	11/5/2002 12:20:00 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Brian I appreciate the time and effort you have put into your postings however, I am probably the only one who took the time to read it in total. Way too long and circuitous. Let your wife edit them down for you. 8:) As you noticed, I agree with Sola Scriptura and do not invest divine authority in man made creeds BUT! when it comes to disagreement with them (especially the earliest) you had better have very strong evidence. This is one of the main points of your systems failure. I think you spent too much time on the creeds themselves and missed the main thrust of the argument which is how could not some, but all of the post Apostolic fathers miss such a monumental event as the coming of Christ in 70 A.D.? Don't make the mistake of mixing Polycarp and Origen together as if they were contemporaries. There is what, a couple hundred years between them? Besides Origen was a horrible exegete, because he tried to make scripture conform to Greek philosophy by adopting a bizarre and unwarranted system of allegorical hermeneutics No I'm talking about those who were there, who learned directly from the Apostle John whom I believe was the only surviving Apostle during the time of the Temple destruction. What do you have to back your claim, nada, nothing, ZIP! If this does not give you pause to reconsider your position then I don't know what would. You talk about Martin Luther but did you know that he struggled with this question himself? In fact His main insight from Romans 1: came from reading Augustine, who in turn was properly exegeting Paul. Where is your Augustine? You are right to point out that many selectively use the church Fathers, but you have nothing to even select from. There is none who ever held your position that I know of except Hymenaeus and Philetus, who Paul condemned as dangerous Heretics. I am sorry to say this Brian, but your position is just that Heresy. As I mentioned before the J.W's said Christ would return several times and when He did not, they simply said He did, but nobody but they, realized it. That is exactly what you are doing, spiritualizing passages to make them conform to a faulty reading of Scripture. Eschatology can be tricky, and there is a wide margin of acceptable possible interpretations. The passages on the resurrection however, are clear. The timing of the coming of Christ may legitimately be explored without departing the faith. However your view of the resurrection clearly puts you at odds not only what the church has always taught but also and most importantly with Scripture. The reason that men such a R.C Sproul are partial preterists, is because they realize that that the physical bodily resurrection of Christ is a central doctrine of the Gospel itself, and to deny or spiritualize it requires "another Gospel", a Gospel that damns and cannot save. Christ was not raised spiritually but bodily and so shall we all be. That has not happened and only a tortuous treatment of Scripture and history could lead one to conclude otherwise. I hope you will receive this in the spirit it is intended. Not as an attack meant to destroy but as a rebuke meant to restore. Greg