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To: Stan who wrote (33873)	11/3/2002 6:55:35 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Whether church matters are to be considered binding or not would have to be whether they are based soundly on the Word." There was no New Covenant canonical Word when the First Council of Acts ch. 15, the First and Second Ecumenical Councils at Nicaea and Constantinople and the first Liturgies were established by the Apostolic successors. First Ecumenical Council Nicea, Asia Minor, 325 A.D. Formulated the First Part of the Creed. Defining the divinity of the Son of God. Second Ecumenical Council Constantinople 381 A.D. Formulated the Second Part of the Creed, defining the divinity of the Holy Spirit. In the First and Second Councils the Apostolic successors and leaders of the church clearly defined some of the central dogmatic doctrines and dogmatic worship of the Church. It was only later that these same leaders defined the canon of the Word. So how can we receive from these God ordained leaders the Canon of Scripture and then reject the canonical creeds and canonical worship?

To: Stan who wrote (33873)	11/3/2002 7:25:40 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Whether church matters are to be considered binding or not would have to be whether they are based soundly on the Word." Who will judge the God ordained authorities who have given us the Word as to the meaning of the Word? Did Jesus leave it to each individual to judge, or did he hand pick and ordain a leadership to lead and to make these decisions? Will the interpretation of Scripture be a private interpretation or will it be Church matter? The First Council in Acts 15 shows clearly that it was not left to the individual to determine the meaning of the new teachings of the Church but was given to the God ordained authority. Paul understood this and followed the directives of the First Council. When did interpretation of Scripture and the Christian message become a private matter? The 1st century Jews were faced with a difficult dilemma. Their God ordained old covenant authorities declared that Jesus was a false Messiah. The Jewish Apostles and discilpes, who were clearly not the old covenant authorities, contradicted the old covenant authorities and proclaimed that Jesus was the Messiah. The Jewish masses were caught in between the horns of a fearful dilemma. The God of the old covenant had come as the Messiah and fulfilled the prophecies and the law but their leaders sitting in the seats of Moses and Levite refuse to accept Him. This was, without a doubt, the most difficult decision ever presented to a generation men. The choice could only be made by listening to the Holy Spirit of God and having a bold honesty about the miracles, words, and the Resurrection of Jesus. Are we again faced with this difficult dilemma? Many Church authorities in all denominations have abandoned the simplicity and purity of the Gospel for the traditions of men. We cry for the authority and the pure bread of the Church but they in turn often abandon the children or give them stones to eat. We face a difficult time in the history of the Church. Jesus has clearly said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. There are many treasures in the holy Chiristian Church--the Body of Christ- and we must be very careful to discern was is holy and pure before we begin flippantly making private decisions as to what belongs and what does not belong to the scared sacred and divine treasures given to us by the Holy Spirit.