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To: Bilow who wrote (2253)	11/5/2002 8:28:08 AM
From: frankw1900	Respond to of 6901

Carl, i want ot explore your post and I don't have time right now. I'll get back to it Fri or Sat. But a couple of things. There's a lot more to modernity than what I've outlined. I don't think US is unique leader of modernity but right now is the most important. (How many divisions has the Pope? And not just the shooting kind) It's certainly the most prominent and therefor the target. Modernity is a process. I don't think my ideas about opposing the Islamists are necessarily the best but I do think it's a mistake to be passive in face of them. I do believe the present regime in Iraq is a menace but a direct US invasion is not necessarily the only way of dealing with it. I don't like the embargoes, never have. They don't work. I also think there is great potential in Iraq for being a modern country. I'm not sure victims of the islamists can emulate us and in the meantime are being turned into our enemies. States trying to be modern. I was thinking specifically of those Gulf States which are menaced by their larger neighbours. Becuse of their modernizing efforts they are targets for the Saudis and Iran and Iraq. But India also needs lots of support against its internal and external enemies. I haven't mentioned it lately but I think we agree on the fabulous modern potential Israelis and Palestinians have if they ever get together peaceably and they can't when the islamofascists and failed govts panick every time they look sideways at the possibility and send in more troublemakers and weapons. I think we disagree on how the rest of the modern world should approach this situation. The US has aided Saudi Arabia and by most accounts they hate US. The US has not aided Iran and they mostly love the US. But heir hhistories are incredibly different. We don't really know how the Iraqis view the US I know what you've said about it but don't believe that's the full story. Fifty million Frenchmen can be wrong. The Iranians are part of the Shiite minority in the muslim population it doesn't follow from the failure of the Iranian experiment that the Wahabbist experiment will fold soon enough that they won't be a menace to lives huge numbers of people. I agree we should aid the people of enemy countries but it not going to do a lot of good if the folk there don't know we did it. Providing the non wahabbists support and protection. They need some becsuse they don't have petrodollars and are constantly murdered whenever they stick their heads up. This is thorny but must be a way of doing it that could work. Just notes. I don't think very fast and have a lot do right now. Later.