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To: zonder who wrote (55897)	11/6/2002 5:34:13 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Was the US ever elected ruler of the world or even its police? Nope. What makes you think that it has any other option BUT to get UN approval Ahh, zonder, you are so European! What a winter this is going to be for you. We tell France and the UN to go to hell if they don't pass the resolution we want, and then invade Iraq. lindybill@911changedeverything.com

To: zonder who wrote (55897)	11/6/2002 8:40:22 AM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 281500

Was the US ever elected ruler of the world or even its police? Neither has the US become a tributary of the UN or any other nation or group of nations. We do not have to have other nations or organizations approval, although that is desirable, to act to defend our interests. I am afraid the Iraqi population who lived under sanctions for a decade and watched their people die because they could not even get basic chemicals to sanitize their drinking water, let alone antibiotics, might disagree with that statement. I don't know about that. I think that many people in Iraq likely know that the sanctions are the result of Saddam Hussein's actions. That is who I would blame, not the US. So would Palestinians who see the US agreeing with everything on Israel. Personally, I think the Palestinians ought to be grateful for our extensive efforts to broker a peace agreement which would have given them an independent state. Unfortunately, their leader rejected it.

To: zonder who wrote (55897)	11/7/2002 9:16:20 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Excuse me. Was the US ever elected ruler of the world or even its police? Funny... I didn't know that the world had a police force to elect, nor even a world government.. It's foolish to attempt applying democratic standards to international political environment where each individual state represents its own interests to the disregard of others. For instance, France, Russia, and the Netherlands, as well as China, all support Saddam Hussein's regime because they have extensive economic interests at stake. Even now, there are 20,000 some odd businessmen, mainly from Europe and Asia, flocking to Baghdad to develop economic ties with this regime, despite Saddam's continued refusal to abide by binding UN security resolutions. It has been the US, with the assistance of the UK and a few other nations, who have been required to expend their national treasure containing Saddam, only to see Frence and Russian economic interests subsidized.. And that's ridiculous, given the nature of Saddam's regime.. Let's not mistake some kind of "moral superiority" to the positions of France, Russia, and other UNSC members.. They are playing politics in an even more cynical manner than is the US, IMO... US initially showed no intention to "go to the trouble" of getting UN approval, and is only "going to the trouble" now because NOBODY is going along without UN approval The UN has done NOTHING about enforcing their UNSC resolutions since the inspectors left Iraq several years ago. That means that they have defaulted such enforcement to the US. And after 9/11, it is the US which feels that it is imperative to remove, or militarily castrate, Saddam's regime. There would BE no resolution in the UNSC, were it not for the implicit threat that the US was prepared to "go it alone" and rendered the UN irrelevant. And Bush was absolutely right to slap some reality into the UN and make them sit up and do their jobs. After all, which nation created the UN in the first place, and could stand ready to dissolve it and recreate a new one?? Hawk