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To: zonder who wrote (56688)	11/12/2002 8:28:12 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>They talk about the need to kill all non-Muslims, all cross-bearers. If you are a Christian, your life is threatened.<< Are you saying this is not true?

To: zonder who wrote (56688)	11/12/2002 8:37:49 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

Putin plays the card Yep, he has. Since 911, the US has a harder time disputing that Muslim dissidents in Russia or China are "Terrorists" rather than "Freedom Fighters. Unfair, maybe, but to be expected.

To: zonder who wrote (56688)	11/12/2002 11:51:47 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Unexpurgated Putin on Chechyna: >>Putin tells reporter to 'get circumcised' Russia's media expressed has shock over a remark by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Russia-EU summit in which he urged a Western reporter asking about the war in Chechnya to come to Moscow and "get circumcised". Mr Putin's comments, made at a closing press conference of the Russia-EU summit in Brussels, were played by TVS television station and republished by several major Moscow newspapers and Internet sites. The Kommersant business daily reports Mr Putin was asked a Danish reporter why Russia was using mine warfare in the separatist North Caucasus republic and exterminating Chechen civilians. Reports say Mr Putin became infuriated by the question and launched an unprecedented defence of the three-year Chechen war that at one stage went off on a tangent. "You, if I am not mistaken, represent an ally [of the US war on terror] and are therefore in danger," Mr Putin told the reporter, according to a transcript that appeared in the Vremya Novostei daily. "They [the Chechens] talk about killing non-Muslims and if you are a Christian, you are in danger. And even if you are an atheist, you are in danger," Mr Putin is quoting as saying. "If you decide to become a Muslim - even then you are not safe, because traditional Islam contradicts the conditions and goals that they [the Chechens rebels] set. "But if you are prepared to become the most radical Islamist and prepared to get circumcised - I invite you to Moscow. "We have specialists that deal with this problem. I suggest that you do such an operation that nothing grows out of you again," Mr Putin reportedly said. Mr Putin is known for his tough talk that at times becomes interlaced with slang used by criminals and the military. He launched the war in the predominantly Muslim Chechen republic in October 1999 by threatening to "waste [the Chechens] while they sit in their outhouses". Russian media say a Kremlin aide explained to reporters after the Brussels press conference that Mr Putin was tired during the summit after a hectic working schedule. The wide coverage given to Mr Putin's remarks appears unusual for a Russian media that has grown to carefully toe the Kremlin line in recent months. Advice dismissed Meanwhile, Mr Putin has brushed aside European advice on a peaceful solution to the Chechen conflict, saying it had to be solved by the Russian and Chechen people alone. "Of course we listen to advice from our colleagues in Europe," Mr Putin told a news conference in Oslo after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who said he hoped for a peaceful, political solution in Chechnya. But he added: "It is an internal Russian problem to be solved between the Chechen people and the Russian federation." Russia has scrapped plans for a partial military pullout from the southerly province since Chechen separatists took a Moscow theatre hostage last month. The siege ended with the deaths of 128 hostages and 41 rebels. "We don't want to turn up our noses and say that others' opinions are irrelevant," Mr Putin said. But he added: "The problem is so complicated that no one can give really good advice." <snip> abc.net.au