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To: Solon who wrote (3702)	11/19/2002 6:39:51 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7689

Then by your manner of arguing it is NOT arbitrary--only its not 100% NOT arbitrary because sometimes it is arbitrary. As though a person who sometimes does a stupid act is both a stupid person and a smart person because he is not 100% of the time either... My analogy is that a person who commits criminal acts 1% of the time is a criminal, even if he obeys the law the other 99%. If the government stays within its constitutional limits it is not arbitrary, if it reguarly exceeds them (and it does) and often cares nothing about them then it is arbitrary. If it is merely your own definition and not the definition of the group It it (my defintion) of (morality for the group). Not (my definition for the group) of (morality). Let alone (the groups definition) or morality. In other words I look at what I would see as proper or improper moral action for the group (or the state, because this started as a discussion on the actions of government) and form an opinion. It is my own definition for the group. Not the groups defintion (defintition of the group) There is no doubt that rich people will not get to heaven (not unless you can get a camel through the eye of a needle)! Jesus then directly implies that this can be done, he states that with God everything is possible. Within the context this would imply that without God, rich people would not be saved and perhaps no one would be saved. The specifics are not spelled out. Some would take this to mean that you have to believe in God to be saved, but this is not 100% clear from that passage. In any case I have already more then filled any desire I might have to exchange biblical quotes. Tim