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To: Alighieri who wrote (155101)	11/20/2002 5:52:22 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1580148

Why go through the UN sharade if he is going to go around the globe undermining it and making a case for war before the resolution just passed by the UN which calls for inspections and declarations, for which the US fought so hard and to which the US is a signature, has not even begun? As I've pointed out to you innumerable times over the last few months, we are engaged in a kind of "brute force negotiation" with an adversary who chooses not to negotiate. When Saddam refused access to inspectors in '98, the United States made a huge mistake: We just stood there and accepted it, without so much as a WORD. This may have been the worst foreign policy mistake of the Clinton administration, I'm not sure (there were SOOOO many). The only kind of negotiation you can do with Saddam is to threaten him in the most unmistakable terms. This isn't complicated or difficult to understand, and for the life of me I can't see why you don't get it. And this is precisely what we're doing. But here's his problem now. The boss never expected the other guys to call his bluff. And so now his secretary of offense and he go around beating the war drum and insulting the UN. There is no problem. If Saddam comes into compliance, he can probably stay. If he doesn't, we will kill him. Seems pretty clear to me. The UN is nothing (a kind of "nothing" that develops when an organization inherently designed to "negotiate" is weak and thus CANNOT negotiate), and they've proved it by their lack of willingness to deal with Saddam in any reasonable manner. Bush used the UN as a tool to get support of the rest of the world, and quite successfully, at that. As Woodward's book has pointed out, Bush is a man in total control, knows how to hire great people and take their advice. This is precisely what he did -- he took the advice of Powell to keep the world on our side (which you and tejek ran on about ad nauseum) and at the same time took the advice of Cheney to prepare for war, and to assume that war will be necessary to accomplish our objectives. Woodward's book has, if nothing else, proven what has been repeated here for months: Bush, while entering office as a foreign policy amateur, has conducted foreign policy like an absolute professional.

To: Alighieri who wrote (155101)	11/20/2002 6:07:05 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1580148

We would have been better off if Saddam wouldn't have agreed and we took him out. Now, Saddam will just play hide the salami, shell games. If Saddam was really smart he would call Bush and request a meeting and make an effort to be "buddies" again with the USA. Jim

To: Alighieri who wrote (155101)	11/20/2002 6:30:58 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1580148

Al, <The boss never expected the other guys to call his bluff.> What a crock. There is no bluff. And all Saddam is doing is buying time and playing shell games, as usual. As usual, your being overzealous in your criticism of Bush. Tenchusatsu

To: Alighieri who wrote (155101)	11/21/2002 1:09:07 PM
From: hmaly	Respond to of 1580148

aligheri Re..But here's his problem now. The boss never expected the other guys to call his bluff. And so now his secretary of offense and he go around beating the war drum and insulting the UN. << Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you get it directly from Daschle's office. GW already has a tough resolution against Itaq. All GW would have to do is wait patiently until Dec 8. declare Iraq out of compliance, and take him out, with the UN's blessing. The simple fact that GW is making noise about it, gives Saddam more reasons to comply, the exact opposite you claim GW wants.