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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (67633)	11/24/2002 12:58:10 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"If you claim not to be naive, then you must think that E, jla, Laz, and some others aren't decent people." They have nothing to do with what I am. Don't be stupid. "if you believe jla or E or Laz would suddenly respect me, you are indeed naive. So either you're naive, or you don't think they're decent people." Are you drunk on tea?? Your statement is illogical and ridiculous. I DON'T think I'm naive...AND I DO think they are people who will respect a sincere apology. I am only going by assessment of posts. But I COULD think people were decent or not, regardless of my naivity...so your statement is simply illogical and idiotic. "So either you're naive, or you don't think they're decent people." Again...I consider YOU to be indecent; so by YOUR silly formula I am NOT naive! Your logic is the logic of an emotional runt!

To: The Philosopher who wrote (67633)	11/24/2002 8:57:03 AM
From: E	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"Respect" is asking a lot and would come with time and credibility, but in gist, you're wrong. I don't know about Laz and jla, but although I have no personal vested interest in an apology from you, I would oppose further attacks, defend you, and post civilly to you, if indeed you "came clean, truly clean." There is such a thing in this world as remorse and acknowledgment and apology, not as formalities but as manifestations of recognition and change. That is, people do morally redeem themselves. It happens, and it can often help their former victims psychologically when it does. So you are wrong about that. If you redeemed yourself, I would cease hating you and possibly over time would remember what I used to like about you; though of course I wouldn't cease hating what you did to people historically. Since you would hate it, too, we'd be on the same wave length. My suspicion is that Laz would be about where I am, but I haven't spoken to him about this. Solon, too. Poet has, mirabilis dictu, said the same. JLA is a different matter; I have no idea. But you would have defenders, in the hypothetical you propose. Besides X, I mean. She would not want you to be sorry, I suspect. This is not a request for any action on your part. It is a correction of a mistaken belief you've posted a couple of times, where I am concerned.