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Strategies & Market Trends : Fascist Oligarchs Attack Cute Cuddly Canadians -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: marcos who wrote (768)	11/24/2002 7:24:45 PM
From: E. Charters	Respond to of 1293

Me famblee wuz illityerate United Empire Loyalists who kame to Kanada in 1864. We wuz from Veerginya and owned a plantation there. Dunno in fact if they wuz UEL but they came up herer anyways. Others in dah famblee kame earlier I iz told, or surmises so as we cannot find a bote with der name on it, so we thinks they snuk akross the boarder. By 1870 they wuz rich on govmint knotrakts. By 1970 we wuz pore agin. I is porer stil. Maybee by 2070 we will be rich agin but I iz always in the middle. dam. EC<:-}

To: marcos who wrote (768)	11/24/2002 7:46:26 PM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1293

OK, LOL! I ask for little balance and you swamp me with more history than I can read in a week! <g> Gotta agree that our education system does a poor job of covering the Loyalist side. But our kids these days are more interested in Britney Spears' midriff than history. Half of 'em don't even know where Canada is. Ten percent don't can't even find the US on a globe.

To: marcos who wrote (768)	11/24/2002 10:23:21 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 1293

61.b.d. come writers and critics who prophesise with your pen and keep your eyes wide the chance won't come again and don't speak too soon for the wheel's still in spin and there's no tellin' who that it's namin'. for the loser now will be later to win for the times they are a-changin'. 'Weyerhaeuser CEO calls for truce in Canada-U.S. lumber war; says U.S. duties have 'backfired'' cbc.ca '"Clearly, the anti-dumping duty doesn't work. In fact, it's back-fired as Canadian firms have increased production to lower their unit costs. The anti-dumping duty has aggravated the over-supply situation and driven prices lower," he added. '

To: marcos who wrote (768)	11/25/2002 2:20:55 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1293

6. Overlooked in US-centric versions of the story is the fact that the whigs of the thirteen colonies were not alone in the world, there were many in Britain, in fact more than a few of the 'americans', like Thomas Paine, had just gotten off the boat from the auld country ... Pitt the Younger made a famous speech calling further resistance to the rebellion 'unjust', this was late into it, and before he was p.m., during the tory Lord North government ... but he was a whig, which is to say a liberal in the classic sense of the term, opposing inherited position and supporting free enterprise, to the extent they understood the concepts in those days, which was pretty well in some cases, you'd be surprised .... Smith of Kirkcaldy had published his Wealth of Nations in 1776, that was about as whiggish as you could get ... there had been a long continuum in political thought, fits and starts and setbacks all over the map of course, but reaching back to ancient roots, and generally progressing to the present day - everything that happened in english speaking nations was part of this, lots of standing on the shoulders of giants who had stood before Not all in the thirteen colonies who opposed or fled from the rebellion were tories, many had distinct whiggish sympathies in the sense the terms were used in Britain, in fact i would surmise most did, given their activities and where they were in the New World, exceptions made for government officials probably, but likely not in all cases there even - new ideas were coming along, old ones getting refined, and it was pretty clear to all that the third George was a few logs short of a load - so it was wrong to call them 'tories', that was just rebel propaganda of course, but somehow it stuck, within the US anyway, the term 'loyalists' is far more accurate The loyalists chose their side at that time because it was the way that resisted anarchy, in favour of 'peace order and good government' [an old canehjun expression], along with measured methodical change .... it was a time of armed rebellion in the lower colonies, there were gangs going about pushing the politics of it in forceful manner, you thought what they told you to think or your life was in danger .... it was some time much later when there became a constitution and the concept of the right of free speech, a tolerance for diversity of opinion, and a more reasonable expectation of personal security .... during the rebellion itself the choice was between the crown and anarchy, the rule of the gun So we came north ... pretty soon the third George faded away, after a while came Victoria, there was a succession of prime ministers, Pitt the Younger, Liverpool, Wellesley, Peel, on to Disraeli and Gladstone .... much change along the way, continually, peace order and good government the goal all the way through, not always achieved but we came close sometimes, so now we come down to the present day, not so bad off ... but we're not 'tories' ... well those who call themselves tories now mean a different thing by it .... and we've been 'patriots' all the way through, just a different Patria that's all