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To: Snowshoe who wrote (3290)	11/24/2002 5:56:38 PM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6901

Earlier I provided this link to an aerial photo of our earthquake fault line... Aerial photo of quake site, looking east from the general vicinity of Mt. Mckinley... aeic.alaska.edu The photo, which looks east along the Alaska range from the Parks Highway, dredged up some old memories. Back in about 1984 I took a weekend drive westward from Paxon along the Denali Highway toward the Parks Highway. The Denali Highway skirts the southern edge of the Alaska Range off to the right in the photo. On Sunday afternoon at one of the forks of the Susitna River I found a couple of hitch-hiking mountain climbers named Dave Cheesmond and Carl Tobin. The lads had been out climbing on Mount Hayes for three weeks, and then had floated down the river for 20 miles or so on a rubber raft. (Mount Hayes is one of the large peaks on the horizon just to the left of the fault.) Tobin had fallen and hurt his back, and was on painkillers. Cheesmond had to catch a plane to Canada (Vancouver, I think) the next morning. Somehow I crammed the guys and their pile of gear into my small car and drove to Talkeetna, where we dropped off Tobin (who lived in Fairbanks). Then I drove home to Anchorage with Cheesmond, who stayed at my place overnight. The next morning I dropped him off at the airport. He was pretty fatigued and we didn't get much of a chance to talk, but I did learned that he was a South African who had climbed all over the world. A few years later I read in the newspaper that Cheesmond had disappeared with Catherine Freer while climbing Mount Logan in Yukon Territory. More recently I looked looked him up on the Internet and learned that he was one of the greatest climbers ever from South Africa.

To: Snowshoe who wrote (3290)	11/25/2002 6:12:26 AM
From: Condor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6901

Murder rates......recent #'s Country wide, it looks like yah beat us by 300% <g> Lucky dogs. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Murder Rates in Canada The removal of capital punishment from the Canadian Criminal Code in 1976 has not led to an increase in the murder rate in Canada. In fact, Statistics Canada reports that the murder rate for 2001 stayed stable for the third year in a row at approximately 1.8 homicides for every 100,000 population. The total number of murders in Canada in 2001 was 554, just eight more than in 2000, but 167 fewer than in 1975, the year before capital punishment was abolished. Murder rates are generally at least three times lower in Canada than in the United States. In 1999, Canada's murder rate was 1.8 per 100,000 population. In that same year, the U.S. homicide rate was 5.7 per 100,000 population in the United States, according to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. canadaonline.about.com