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To: Neocon who wrote (3307)	11/25/2002 1:55:52 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6901

Failure in school in strongly correlated with a chaotic home environment. That is kind of a nice way of saying it correlates with poverty. The standard reason given by teachers for failure to teach their students is that "The Parents don't care!" Well, we are not going to change the Home environment, and the present teaching system obviously cannot get the Parents involved, so what do we do? Voucher systems cannot get passed. That is just a fact of life, at least in Calif, where I was involved. The Suburban Parents refuse to vote for them. So we are going to have to change the structure in the present system. IMO, what is needed is a system where the Teachers and Administration are responsible for the teaching of the students, and accountable for the results. The present system, (Teachers union, School Bureaucracy, and State Bureaucrats,) will not allow that to happen. This is why I am so negative.

To: Neocon who wrote (3307)	11/27/2002 3:33:38 AM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6901

Failure in school in strongly correlated with a chaotic home environment. If we cannot take these children away from their parents, we could at least ensure that they are not unsupervised in the late afternoon, and get help with homework...... That's the tragic cycle... Poverty leads to long work hours leads to no supervision and broken homes leads to violence and lack of education which leads to poverty which............ Where do we cut the Gordian Knot? Derek