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To: tejek who wrote (665)	11/26/2002 2:22:23 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7936

Ted, Re: CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention [hardly] There are too problems with these guys: 1. They are wedded to mantra that human should be fed grain, which is the very reason for diabetes. It may take a decades for these jokers to do their double blind studies to find out the obvious 2. There is most likely a huge degree of interbreeding between the guys who are supposedly working on behalf of American public (CDC, NIH etc), at taxpayers' expense, and the guys for whom a new diabetes patient walking in their office is like a jackpot. Too much of a conflict of interest. My prediction is that these clowns will be the last to "discover" the cause for Type 2 diabetes. My point is that misinformation and bias have prompted you to conclude incorrectly the cause for type 2 diabetes and reinforced your belief that people are very much responsible for their illness and should not have our sympathy at all. I disagree. I think your position stems from ignorance and is very unfair. I think the alternative doctors who are not wedded to the rigid orthodoxy of conventional medicine are way ahead of the field. It doesn't mean that everyone has to be a sheep following the hapless conventional medicine (especially in field of diabetes). What happens to the sheep is they get slaughtered. Suppose you decide to go out of your way and not be one of the sheep. Because of socialization of the responsibility for everyone's health, you still get slaughtered, on the financial side, because you have to pay for the bad decisions all the sheep made. I am just expressing my opinion based on a lot of the reading on alternative side of medicine. You may call it ignorance, and bring in NIH Nazis as evidence (did I really say Nazis?), and I don't have anything to counter it - so you won (at least for now). All I can say is wait a few years, and you will realize I was right. Joe

To: tejek who wrote (665)	11/26/2002 2:41:34 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7936

Ted, Maybe I gave these guys too little credit. Here is something from their web site: cdc.gov Impaired glucose tolerance and impaired fasting glucose -Impaired glucose tolerance (IGT) and impaired fasting glucose (IFG) are considered to be prediabetic conditions, and studies suggest that they may be reversible. [jh: Gee, whatever you do to reverse this stage, how about doing it in the first place so that you get to this early diabetes stage and prevent diabetes completely?] -IGT is a condition in which the blood sugar level is elevated (between 140 and 199 milligrams per deciliter or mg/dL after a 2-hour oral glucose tolerance test), but is not high enough to be classified as diabetes. -IFG is a condition in which the fasting blood sugar level is elevated (between 110 and 125 mg/dL after an overnight fast) but is not high enough to be classified as diabetes. -Among U.S. adults 40-74 years of age, 16.0 million (15.6%) have IGT and 10.0 million (9.7%) have IFG. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Preventing diabetes Research studies in the United States and abroad have found that lifestyle changes can prevent or delay the onset of type 2 diabetes among high-risk adults. [jh: If it can work to prevent it for risk adults, the same should work for everyone else]. These studies included people with IGT and other high-risk characteristics for developing diabetes. Lifestyle interventions included diet and moderate-intensity physical activity (such as walking for 2 1/2 hours each week). [jh: what does exercise do? It burns blood sugar stored in the muscles, so that next time you eat carbohydrates (=sugar), the sugar has a place to go. How about not ingesting excessive quantities of carbohydrates such as refined sugar and grain in the first place?] For both sexes and all age and racial and ethnic groups, the development of diabetes was reduced 40% to 60% during these studies that lasted 3 to 6 years. Joe