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To: tejek who wrote (155607)	12/3/2002 5:57:49 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579737

So what......Christ is only one principal character in the Bible. There are many principle characters in the Bible some of whom did encourage violence. Again, you seem to be wandering aimlessly through the facts. Christ, of course, didn't appear in the "Bible" (Old Testament) at all -- which is where most of the violence was. You say I pointed out "inappropriately" that Christ didn't encourage violence -- are you saying he DID? I argue there is no difference between the two religions when it comes to this issue. Well, once again, you seem to ignore the facts in favor of your own, underinformed opinion. So what else is new? To suggest that modern day Christianity supports violence on a level with that of modern day Islam reflects your ignorance of the subject, which is worse than mine, and mine is pretty damned bad.

To: tejek who wrote (155607)	12/3/2002 6:18:45 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579737

Ted, <no its you that is wrong. ... Christ is only one principal character in the Bible. There are many principle characters in the Bible some of whom did encourage violence.> I don't see why you need to draw a distinction. Yes, violence was encouraged in the Old Testament at times. It was done to carry out God's judgement on those who rebel against Him. And in fact, Jesus doesn't denounce that violence. Instead, he rightly points out that the same violence is deserved by everyone, not just the recipients of judgement (or the victims of violence, if you will). "Cast the first stone" is a popular quote, but there is also "There is no difference, for ALL have fallen short of the glory of God." I still have not seen an example of Christ ever suggesting that one person should kill another. Nor do I see any example of a fallacious statement that I've made, despite your insistence that it is me who is wrong. Tenchusatsu

To: tejek who wrote (155607)	12/3/2002 9:47:35 PM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579737

Ted Re...As Mani pointed out, the Old Testament does call for violence and as far as I know, the Old Testament is still considered a part of the Bible. Furthermore, throughout history, adherents of Christianity have committed violence in the name of their religion just as adherents of Islam have committed violence in the name of their religion. I argue there is no difference between the two religions when it comes to this issue. And I would argue that the church, while supporting the crusades, has learned that it is not wise policy, and has stressed peace on earth ever since. Islam has yet to come to that conclusion. What I find interesting is that Al Qaeda announced today that they were going to target women, children and old men. While the crusades may have butchered a lot of innocent people, I haven't heard that just women, children and feeble old men were their targets. The point is that just targeting civilians will come back to haunt them. I doubt if anyone or any group of combatants wants to be known as baby killers. With their announcement today, Al Qaeda today degraded themselves down to the lowest possible level. I find it bizarre that you are trying to degrade christianity to that level.