To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (3756 ) 12/4/2002 5:00:34 PM From: one_less Respond to of 7689 "And I will still maintain that getting educated is ultimately each individual's individual responsibility." Ultimately the individual will have to live with the consequenses of their actions/inactions regarding their education. However, as I mentioned earlier this looks like a systems melt down to me. For example: teachers (the one at the center of the controversy being an exception) in a situation like this typically stop assigning homework. It is a lot of work to set up homework and manage it. When 85% of the kids don't bother to do the homework teachers become discouraged. Typically teachers weigh homework from 50 to 80% of the semester grade. How do you teach the follow up lessons when no one has done the home work? They don't feel comfortable failing everyone but the one or two students who are completing homework so they modify their approach to having the inclass work count more and rarely assign outside work. When students rarely come, are coming late, and are disruptive, it impacts the lesson being provided to the students who are on time and attentive. In some cases little or nothing is accomplished beyond keeping the lid from flying off of a boiling kettle. When this is occurring day after day it has a wittling effect on the attitudes of what would otherwise be a hardworking academician. This is the tip of the ice burg of debilitating conditions that impact such schools, their processes, and procedures. We cant totally blame individual students for not acquiring skills, knowledge, and abilities when the conditions present block their ability to access these. The students, parents, teachers, and community feed on this type of destructiveness until many are actually contributers to it. Which is why I said:"The conditions present in a house/home are generally reflected in the attitudes and behavior of the house hold members and vice versa. The same could be said of a community or society at large."