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To: J.T. who wrote (15383)12/6/2002 4:38:15 PM
From: lifeisgood  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 19219
 
Next week we head back up again ...

Not if Saddam's whoppy tale report on Saturday doesn't sit well with George W. and I suspect it won't. Sorry 'bout that.

War looms, the dollar is tanking, unemployment is exploding, and the economy isn't responding to record low interest rates and the feds monetary viagra. October lows dead ahead.

best...

LIG



To: J.T. who wrote (15383)12/6/2002 7:13:05 PM
From: Square_Dealings  Respond to of 19219
 
This 27 yr seasonal chart on gold would support your Dec 15 market high date. Kind of amazing how closely gold and the stock market has followed this chart this year. The market trades inversely to gold and the seasonal chart on gold calls for a pull back to mid December. I think we got a short term high on gold today.

321gold.com

M.



To: J.T. who wrote (15383)12/7/2002 10:34:22 AM
From: High-Tech East  Respond to of 19219
 
... hey, bud ... look who made the Op-Ed pages of today's New York Times ... <g> ... Ken

December 7, 2002
A New Agenda for a New Economic Team
by Stephen S. Roach

Washington is about to get a new economic team. The sudden but hardly unexpected departure of Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and Lawrence Lindsey, the director of the National Economic Council, provides the Bush administration with an opportunity to rethink its economic policies. This reconsideration comes at a pivotal time — for the United States and for the world.

The economic and financial-market climate is markedly different today than it was when President Bush took office. Since then, the United States economy has experienced a mild recession — and, to date, an anemic recovery — and financial markets have been roiled by scandals, corporate earnings disappointments and mounting geopolitical tensions stemming from the devastating terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. The world economy has also taken a turn for the worse.

But the biggest and most worrisome risk is the potential for an outbreak of global deflation. Most of Asia, which accounts for 30 percent of the world economy, is already in deflation. The United States is not too far behind, with its broad price index for the gross domestic product up a mere 0.8 percent in the third quarter of 2002 from year-earlier levels — nearly a 50-year low. Deflationary risks are also mounting in Europe, especially in Germany, its largest economy.

The world's major central banks have correctly turned their attention to the perils of deflation. Both the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank have eased interest rates aggressively in recent weeks to stave off such threats. The Bank of Japan has spent its ammunition on interest rates, and Japanese officials are now contemplating other options, namely a weaker yen. Fiscal policies have also moved toward greater stimulus, especially in the United States and Japan.

There are no guarantees that these policies are working. Policy traction is most difficult to achieve at low levels of inflation and nominal interest rates. In the United States, the three sectors that could most give the economy a boost — durable goods like cars and furniture, new home construction, and business capital spending — have all gone to excess in recent years, so their response to policy stimulus could be surprisingly muted.

The Bush administration's new economic policy team will have to take a different approach. Policies must now look outward to the broader global arena, not just inward to America's domestic concerns.

A review of America's "strong dollar" policy, which has been in place for most of the past two decades, should be the top priority for the new secretary of the treasury. A strong currency encourages purchases of cheaper imports, pushing down prices of goods made at home that compete with merchandise produced overseas. In inflationary periods, this is a good thing. But when the risks shift to deflation, as they have today, it is not. By pushing down prices of many American-made products, a further appreciation of the dollar could well exacerbate the deflationary forces bearing down on the United States.

The next treasury secretary must also worry about America's trade deficit with the rest of the world. The United States' balance of payments deficit — the broadest measure of our international financial position with other nations — is likely to hit a record 5 percent of gross domestic product in 2002. Next year, this shortfall could climb to 6 percent, requiring foreigners to finance it by investing nearly $2 billion per day in America.

There is no quick fix to America's balance of payments problem. It requires policies aimed at boosting national saving, which is at historic lows, as well as encouraging other economies around the world to stimulate domestic demands of their consumers and businesses alike.

Taking the lead in support of trade liberalization will be another important role for the the next treasury secretary. In tough economic times, there is always the temptation to resort to protectionism as a means of shielding workers and companies from foreign competition. This temptation must be resisted. The new economic team should focus on opening foreign markets, not closing domestic ones.

All this is not to say that the new treasury secretary should abrogate responsibilities on matters of domestic policies. A new fiscal package is likely to be announced in early 2003 and it requires careful crafting by the president's economic advisers. Critical choices must be made between short-term stimulus measures needed to counter deflation and the longer-term fiscal prudence required to rebuild national saving.

These policy challenges are daunting. The virtues of the American system are not in question. But no system is invincible. Now is the time to take an activist role in addressing perils on the economics front. Washington's new economic team has both the opportunity and the responsibility to rise to the occasion.

Stephen S. Roach is chief economist and director of global economics for Morgan Stanley.

nytimes.com



To: J.T. who wrote (15383)12/8/2002 6:50:27 PM
From: High-Tech East  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 19219
 
*** OFF TOPIC *** OFF TOPIC *** OFF TOPIC ***

In the last few years, Tom Friedman has become the most important analyst/columnist/writer I have EVER read. I have not missed a column or a book that he has written in some time. A three-time Pulitzer Prize winner for commentary, Tom just plain "gets-it" on the Middle East.

Just recently, I bought copies of his new book, "Longitudes and Attitudes," as gifts for friends. He is an important person in our world, and we risk a lot by ignoring his advice.

Following is his column from today's NY Times. Whether you realize it or not, it might be the most important thing you have read in a long time ... obviously, only my opinion, and not a very humble one at that.

Ken Wilson
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The New York Times, December 8, 2002

Bush, Iraq and Sister Souljah by Thomas L Friedman

I am worried. And you should be, too.

I am not against war in Iraq, if need be, but I am against going to war without preparing the ground in America, in the region and in the world at large to deal with the blowback any U.S. invasion will produce.

But I see few signs that President Bush is making those preparations. The Bush team's whole approach was best summed up by a friend of mine: "We're at war — let's party." We're at war — let's not ask the American people to do anything hard.

This can't go on. We are at war. We are at war with a cruel, militant Islam, led by Al Qaeda, we are at war with a rising tide of global anti-Americanism, and we will probably soon be at war to disarm Iraq. There is no way we are going to win such a multidimensional conflict without sacrifices and radically new thinking.

For me, the question is whether President Bush, having amassed all this political capital by effectively responding to 9/11, is going to spend any of it — is going to ask Americans to do things that are really hard to win these wars over the long haul. Does Mr. Bush have a Sister Souljah speech in him? If not, if he is just going to rely on the Pentagon to fight this war — and on Karl Rove to exploit it — then we will reap nothing but tears.

What would the president tell the American people if he were preparing them for this multidimensional war?

He would tell the American people that this war could cost over a trillion dollars, and no one should think that we're going to be able to use Iraqi oil to pay for it. It will be paid for by our Treasury — and that means not just changing the faces of the Bush economic team but also re-examining the surplus-squandering tax cuts at the center of the Bush fiscal policy.

He would tell the American people that he is embarking on a Manhattan project to increase fuel efficiency and slash the cost of alternative energy sources to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Yes, it will take time, but gradually it will make us more secure as a nation, it will shrink the price of oil — which is the best way to trigger political change in places like Saudi Arabia — and it will provide the alternative to Kyoto that Mr. Bush promised the world but never delivered.

He would tell the American people that we can no longer afford our selfish system of farm subsidies and textile protectionism. It is a system that tells developing nations they must open their borders to what we make, but we won't give them full access to our markets for what they make: farm goods and garments. If nations like Pakistan continue to live in poverty, if their people can only afford religious schools that teach only the Koran, then we will continue to live in fear. If our national security interests lie in their development, and their development requires access to our markets, we need to open our markets and live what we preach.

He would tell the Palestinians that the U.S. intends to cut off all assistance and diplomatic contacts until they get rid of their corrupt tyrant, Yasir Arafat, because no peace is possible with him. He would tell Ariel Sharon that unless he halts all settlement building — now — the U.S. will start cutting off Israel's economic aid. And he would tell both that he intends to put the Clinton peace plan back on the table as his plan.

He would also tell all Arabs that America has one purpose in Iraq, once it is disarmed of dangerous weapons: to help Iraqis implement the U.N. Arab Human Development Report, which states that the failing Arab world can only catch up if it embraces freedom, modern education and women's empowerment.

Finally, he would tell Karl Rove to take a leave of absence until September 2004 so that nothing the president does in this war will be perceived as being done for political gain.

Friends, we are on the edge of a transforming moment for America in the world. If President Bush uses his enormous mandate to prepare for war — in a way that really deals with our political and economic vulnerabilities, increases our own staying power and convinces the world that we have a positive vision and are responsible global citizens — there is a decent chance we can win at a reasonable cost. But if Mr. Bush simply uses his mandate to drive a hard-right agenda and indulge in more feel-good politics, the world will become an increasingly dangerous place for every American — no matter what war we fight, no matter what war we win.

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Biography: Thomas L. Friedman ... Thomas L. Friedman won the 2001 Pulitzer Prize for commentary (his third Pulitzer for The New York Times). He became the paper's foreign-affairs columnist in 1995. Previously, he served as chief economic correspondent in the Washington bureau and before that he was the chief White House correspondent.

Friedman joined The Times in 1981 and was appointed Beirut bureau chief in 1982. In 1984 Friedman was transferred from Beirut to Jerusalem, where he served as Israel bureau chief until 1988. Friedman was awarded the 1983 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Lebanon) and the 1988 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting (from Israel). His book, "From Beirut to Jerusalem" (1989), won the National Book Award for non-fiction in 1989. His latest book, "The Lexus and the Olive Tree" (2000) won the 2000 Overseas Press Club award for best nonfiction book on foreign policy and has been published in 20 languages. He also wrote the text accompanying Micha Bar-Am's book, "Israel: A Photobiography."

Born in Minneapolis on July 20, 1953, Friedman received a B.A. degree in Mediterranean studies from Brandeis University in 1975. In 1978 he received a Master of Philosophy degree in Modern Middle East studies from Oxford. Friedman is married and has two daughters.



To: J.T. who wrote (15383)12/9/2002 1:34:17 PM
From: High-Tech East  Respond to of 19219
 
... J.T. ... to at least try to maintain some intellectual respect here (assuming I had an intellect to be respected ... <g>), I must note that Stephen Roach has been more bullish recently, and especially today ... his quick change in direction does make me wonder somewhat whether Morgan Stanley dictated that he get more back in line with his staff (which has been much more bullish for the last 24 months, and completely wrong) or whether he came to his more bullish conclusions on his own ... though I am still still wondering about the true reasons for his change in direction, I will accept it for what it is ...

Ken
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December 09, 2002, Morgan Stanley's Global Economic Form

Global: The Global Economy in 2004 - Back to Trend (Barely)

Stephen Roach (New York)

This is the time of the year when we stretch our collective imagination and peer another year into the future. Our first look at the world in 2004 points to a gradual improvement in the pace of global growth following two years of recession-like outcomes in 2001-02 and an anemic recovery in 2003. But it’s an improvement that barely gets the global economy back to its long-term trend rate of growth -- a most disappointing recovery by cyclical standards of the past. And it’s a recovery call that we make with considerable trepidation, for it perpetuates many of the imbalances that have built up the US-centric global economy over the past decade.

Our forecast for world GDP growth in 2003 remains unchanged at 3.0% -- a modest improvement from average gains of 2.1% estimated over the 2001-02 interval. By way of comparison, anything below the 2.5% global growth threshold is generally considered to be a recession in the world economy. By that metric, we reckon next year will mark the first year of recovery from a two-year global recession. Our first cut at 2004 calls for world GDP growth to accelerate further to 3.9%, fully 30% faster than gains estimated for 2003 and, in fact, the fastest year of global growth in four years. While seemingly vigorous by comparison with gains in recent years, our 2004 prognosis hardly qualifies as a year of rapid growth; that’s especially true when judged against the world economy’s trend rate of growth that has averaged 3.6% since 1970. Our initial estimate for 2004, therefore, can be characterized as only fractionally above trend -- symptomatic of a global economy that continues to struggle after three of the most anemic years of growth on record.

The mix of global growth is projected to remain decidedly US-centric through 2004. Growth in the US economy is expected to accelerate to 3.9% in 2004, a marked acceleration from subpar gains of 2.5% over the 2002-03 interval. Powered by a solid capital spending dynamic, the projected rebound in 2004 represents what Dick Berner believes will be the first year of legitimate cyclical recovery following the mild recession of 2001. This outcome is comparable to the lackluster cyclical recovery of the early 1990s, when two years of subpar gains averaging 2.8% in 1992-93 were followed by a 4.0% rebound in 1994.

By contrast with the US prognosis, growth elsewhere in the industrial world is expected to remain subpar, especially when compared with the cyclical vigor that normally occurs in the aftermath of a recession. Europe is a case in point, with a projected 2.6% increase in 2004 qualifying as a disappointing rebound in the aftermath of three years of 1.3% average growth. The combined impacts of "fiscal drag" and lingering structural impediments, especially in euro-labor markets, generate powerful headwinds that are expected to constrain the European growth dynamic. As for Japan, average gains of just 0.5% over the 2003-04 interval underscore the seemingly chronic dilemma faced by the world’s second largest economy – an unwillingness to get on with the heavy lifting of financial sector reforms and the associated restructuring of nonfinancial corporates. All in all, we expect industrial world GDP growth to accelerate to just 2.9% in 2004 -- a significant rebound from average gains of 1.7% over the 2002-03 interval but, nevertheless, a meager cyclical recovery when compared with standards of the past.

In the developing world, GDP growth is expected to hit 5.3% in 2004, a marked acceleration from average gains of 4.1% over the 2003-04 interval. As has been the case for the past several years, domestic demand continues to lag in the developing world; as such, the growth dynamic in this segment of the world remains decidedly export-led. China continues to lead the pack, with its GDP growth expected to reaccelerate to 7.9% in 2004 after average gains of 7.5% in 2002-03. Elsewhere in Asia, the acceleration is expected to be more muted. Excluding China, growth in Asia ex Japan is expected to hit only 4.6% in 2004, only a slight pick-up from average gains of 4.1% in 2002-03. Growth in Latin America is expected to pick up to a 4.1% rate in 2004, a dramatic acceleration from average gains of just 0.4% over the preceding three years, 2001-03. A post-crisis snapback in Argentina is expected to account for the bulk of the rebound; gains elsewhere in the region are expected to remain little changed from the pace of 2003-03. Growth in emerging Europe is expected to pick up to 4.3% in 2003 following two years of 3.5% growth in 2002-03; gains in Russia (4.6%) and Turkey (5.0%) are anticipated to lead the way.

Inflation should remain dormant over our forecast horizon. The industrial world CPI is expected to inch up fractionally to just 1.8% in 2004, following average gains of just 1.5% in 2002-03. If this forecast comes to pass, it would mark the first time in half a century that industrial world inflation held below the 2% threshold for three consecutive years. While such subdued price pressures still stop short of outright global deflation, the risks, in my view, remain very much skewed in that direction. Three forces are at work -- the first being the cyclical pressures of a still wide global "output gap." Second is the lingering excess capacity sparked by the bubble-induced surge of capital spending in the late 1990s. And third are the powerful forces of globalization -- increased global supply in goods and services, alike, exerting ever-powerful impacts on pricing leverage in increasingly open economies around the world. In the subdued global growth climate we envision through 2004, aggregate demand growth will remain sluggish, at best -- insufficient to outweigh the persistent excesses on the supply side of the equation. For that reason, alone, deflationary risks can hardly be expected to vanish into thin air -- despite our expectations of increasingly aggressive reflationary policy actions by monetary and fiscal authorities around the world. The jury is out, in my view, on the key issue of policy traction at low levels of inflation and nominal interest rates.

The persistence of potentially destabilizing outsize global imbalances is yet another key risk to our macro scenario. Another burst of US-led global growth can only exacerbate an already massive US current account deficit. According to Dick Berner’s baseline forecast of the US economy, the current account deficit as a share of GDP is expected to remain above 5% through 2004. If anything, the risk is that America’s external gap will be a good deal larger than the 5.3% bogey we are projecting for year-end 2004. After all, a US-led recovery in the global economy now commences with America’s current-account deficit anchored at 5.0% in 2Q02. While we are building in a 7% average decline in the trade-weighted value of the dollar over both 2003 and 2004, this "soft-landing" of the greenback hardly seems sufficient to turn the tide on import penetration for a US economy that is far more open than ever. Nor does the gentle downward trajectory of the dollar seem likely to boost US exports to a world that remains on a decidedly sluggish domestic demand trajectory. Our baseline case is notable for the absence of any progress in America’s long overdue current-account adjustment. Yet history is utterly devoid of examples of such persistently large external imbalances. This underscores the ever-present risk of either a crash-landing in the dollar or a more dramatic realignment in the mix of global growth away from the US and back toward the rest of the world. In my view, the greater of the two risks continues to lie with the dollar.

Meanwhile, the very fabric of globalization is being subjected to its sternest test ever. As the global economy continues to underperform, cross-border tensions are mounting. As the specter of deflation goes global, the risk of competitive currency devaluations is rising. Japan has fired the first salvo in that regard, but there are whispers coming from the American side as well (see my 6 December dispatch, "The Perils of Competitive Currency Devaluations"). At the same time, the search for a scapegoat is on and fingers are increasingly – and unfairly, in my view – being pointed at China. Moreover, trade frictions are mounting, global terrorism remains an ever-present threat, and the possibility of a US-led war in Iraq continues to cloud the outlook. Yes, thanks to the Internet, the world may be shrinking in one sense. But macro and geopolitical tensions are very much on the rise.

Forecasting remains more of an art than a science, in my view. That’s especially the case in today’s unique macroclimate. I remain highly suspicious of forecasts based on extrapolating from models of the typical post-World War II business cycle. The current cycle bears no resemblance at all to its predecessors over the past 50 years. The modern-day world economy has never been this US-centric. And the United States -- the unquestioned engine of the world -- has never had to deal with the wrenching aftershocks of a post-bubble business cycle like the one still unfolding today. The combination of these two forces has not only pushed the world closer to deflation than at any point in half a century, but it has created unprecedented disparities between nations with current account deficits (the United States) and surpluses (Asia and Europe). Our baseline case presumes that the world can neatly finesse these extraordinary imbalances. I continue to have serious doubts that it will all unfold that neatly.

morganstanley.com



To: J.T. who wrote (15383)12/9/2002 1:41:29 PM
From: High-Tech East  Respond to of 19219
 
... and J.T. ... even "The Economist" is more bullish ...

Ken
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The economy

We will never surrender

December 5th 2002 | WASHINGTON, DC
From The Economist print edition

Is America's remarkably resilient economy over the worst?

NEVER in the field of human commerce have so many spent so much on so little—and then wondered whether he will really like it. America's holiday shopping season began in spectacular style last week. On November 29th, the day after Thanksgiving, Wal-Mart, the country's retail giant, took in $1.4 billion at its tills—a 14% rise over 2001 and the firm's biggest one-day taking ever. According to a survey by the National Retail Federation, three out of every four consumers were out shopping last weekend—and they appeared to be spending freely. Sales for the weekend were running 12% above last year, according to ShopperTrak RCT, a firm that collates data from thousands of shops.

Festive logistics partly explains this spending fervour. With Thanksgiving falling late, there are unusually few shopping days before Christmas this year. Large price cuts by shops also pulled in the bargain hunters. Nonetheless, a quick look at the malls hardly suggests that the great American wallet is slamming shut.

Those Thanksgiving shoppers are the latest addition to a growing body of evidence that suggests America's economy may be on the mend. Less than two months ago, the recovery appeared to have suddenly stalled. The statistics showed that unemployment claims were rising, consumer spending was falling and confidence was plummeting. A rising chorus of forecasters fretted that a return to recession (the infamous “double dip”) was imminent. The Federal Reserve admitted the economy was in a “soft spot” and cut interest rates by half a percentage point in early November.

But since then a slew of statistics—from investment to productivity—have been stronger than expected, boosting the stockmarket and convincing economists that the risks of recession have receded. Stephen Roach of Morgan Stanley, perhaps Wall Street's most famous pessimist, acknowledged ruefully this week that “the second double-dip scare of 2002 now seems to be winding down.” That much is certainly true. Less obvious, however, is how strong the recovery will be.

Part of the optimism springs from hopes that business investment may finally be showing signs of life. Though overall figures on capital spending still look weak, much of the blame lies with a slump in spending on office buildings and other non-residential construction (which fell at a 20% annual rate in the third quarter of 2002). Exclude construction, and the picture becomes less dire. Overall investment in software and equipment is rising, albeit modestly.

There are other angles from which the figures look a little better: economists at J.P. Morgan Chase point out that, if you do not include the troubled energy and aircraft industries, firms' capital spending grew at double-digit rates in the third quarter. In October, orders for capital goods outside the defence industry (and excluding aircraft again) rose by 5.5%. The question, however, is whether sustained investment growth is plausible given the substantial amounts of slack capacity that exist in many industries. Overall industrial capacity utilisation is still running at just 75%.

Look at American manufacturing directly and this mixed picture is reinforced. First came a wave of good news, particularly from the heartland, that manufacturing activity was already on the mend. The Chicago purchasing managers index startled markets on November 27th by surging from 45.9 in October to 54.3 in November. (Any reading over 50 suggests that manufacturing activity is expanding, while a reading of less than 50 suggests recession.) Unfortunately, the equivalent national numbers, released on December 2nd, showed a less perky jump from 48.5 in October to 49.2 in November, leaving it in recession for the third consecutive month (see chart). In short, American manufacturing may be on the mend, but it is far from booming.

Consumption remains the driver of any recovery. And there the good news of the past few weeks is that Americans are still spending. After falling in September, overall consumption rose 0.4% in October. Car sales, which sucked up a lot of consumer spending during the summer, did not continue their decline. Contrary to fears at the beginning of the month, a respectable number of new vehicles (16m at an annual rate) were sold in November. The Conference Board's index of consumer confidence improved during the month from a nine-year low.

A big reason for this boost in confidence, and for economists' optimism that the risks of recession have receded, comes from the job market. Judging by the fall in the weekly number of initial unemployment claims during November, the pace of lay-offs has abated. Just before Thanksgiving the number of initial claimants fell to 364,000, well below its peak rate of 433,000 in September and below the 400,000 level usually associated with an economy in recession. Though few analysts expect a sharp rise in employment (November's jobs figures are due to be released on December 6th), the fear that a sharp rise in unemployment would undermine consumption has abated.

Through the roof

Meanwhile, the housing market—another prop for consumer spending—appears brisk. Sales of existing homes rose 6.1% in October. But the signals on the market are mixed. According to the National Association of Realtors, the median home price rose 9.8% in October, the fastest rise since 1987. But the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight reckons the appreciation in house prices is beginning to stall.

High house prices are a burden for some Americans (see article); but a source of relief to many more. Either way, they surely cannot continue to soar. According to economists at Goldman Sachs the ratio of house prices to rents and income is 10-15% above its long-term average. This is a higher premium than existed at either of the two previous property-market peaks of the past 25 years.

Look at all these indicators together and the picture is one of resilience rather than strong recovery. America's economy has yet again confounded the pessimists who expected it plunge into recession, but it has yet to offer much support to the optimists who predicted strong growth. The legacy of the bubble years—slack capacity in swathes of American industry and debt-laden consumers, justifying their spending by looking at house prices—will still give the faint-hearted plenty to fret about, even as they queue up to get something for their grandparents.

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To: J.T. who wrote (15383)12/9/2002 1:48:41 PM
From: High-Tech East  Respond to of 19219
 
... ahhhh, J.T. ... Gretchen Morgensen still sounds like the bear ... <g>

Ken
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December 8, 2002 - New York Times
Out With the Old, and Waiting for the New (Tax Cuts)
by Gretchen Morgensen

WHAT do the defenestrations of Paul H. O'Neill, the Treasury secretary, and Lawrence B. Lindsey, the president's top economic adviser, reveal about the economy now, its future and that of the stock market?

About the economy now, the moves show how worried President Bush is that the nation will slip back into recession. "The economy is perceived to be a serious problem," said Jan Hatzius, senior economist at Goldman, Sachs. "You wouldn't need to change the team if there wasn't a problem." Nor would you change the team if you weren't worried about being re-elected in 2004.

Clearly, the White House understands that the economy needs strong medicine if it is to stay on its feet and become ambulatory. That medicine, administered heretofore and only somewhat successfully by Alan Greenspan, will soon be augmented by new tax cuts, if Mr. Bush has his way.

Neither Mr. O'Neill nor Mr. Lindsey had the ideas, or the credibility, to fix the problems. So both had to go.

Many economists agree that tax cuts are exactly what the doctor ordered, largely because consumer spending, the engine of economic growth in recent years, is imperiled by excessive borrowing.

"This economy is really laboring under a tremendous debt load," said Paul Kasriel, director of economic research at Northern Trust in Chicago. "The corporate sector has made great strides in slowing down its borrowing, but the private sector hasn't even started."

Sure enough, debt as a percentage of assets among households has reached new highs, consumer borrowing was very strong in the third quarter and equity extraction from homes has been enormous.

The household net worth figures released last week by the Federal Reserve, showing the latest in a string of declines, were also ominous. "Prior to 2000, there had never been a year-on-year decline in household net worth in the postwar period," Mr. Kasriel noted. "It happened in 2000 and 2001 and now 2002. People are going to have to start saving more."

But increased saving means reduced spending, which would in turn drag down the economy. So tax cuts are a way to give consumers the cushion they need to save a bit even as they keep spending.

The problem for Mr. Bush is that his tax cuts — of whatever sort — are not likely to be enough to counterbalance increased taxes that most consumers will face from their state and local governments, which are struggling mightily. And because spending at state and local levels is almost double that of federal spending, restraint there could damage the economy significantly.

"If you take all levels of government together, it is unlikely that the federal government's stimulus can outweigh the state and local governments' restraint," Mr. Hatzius said. So even if Mr. Bush succeeds in pushing tax cuts through, they may not be that effective in propelling the economy.

As a result, Mr. Hatzius and Mr. Kasriel both expect the economy to sputter along next year. Mr. Hatzius projects gross domestic product growth of around 2 percent for 2003, while Mr. Kasriel forecasts around 3 percent.

So where does that leave the stock market? Stable, perhaps, but not strapping.

"Sluggish gross domestic product growth usually means corporate profits aren't much better than flat," Mr. Hatzius said. And if corporate profits stagnate, stock indexes may, too. What has gone on in the past two years may well continue: individual stocks do well but the indexes disappoint.

"This economy is in hock," Mr. Kasriel said. "It has come off 20 years of extreme leveraging. It's going to take time to work through these things. And it won't be pleasant."

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