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To: JohnM who wrote (60382)	12/7/2002 2:58:00 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Harris picked one. Let us know he knows there were other options. John, my reaction is: 1) You are really picking nits. 2) You are evading the point of the article. He sums up the point of the article in the last two paragraphs. It is: A) "America is the sine qua non of any future progress that mankind can make, no matter what direction that progress may take." AND B) The belief that mankind's progress, by any conceivable standard of measurement recognized by Karl Marx, could be achieved through the destruction or even decline of American power is a dangerous delusion. he's still caught up in Cold War rhetoric No, he is showing that a major issue for the left today has roots in Marx. Nothing wrong with that. Marx "Integrated" Socialism/Collectivism. Almost everything on the left goes back to him. IMO, you are being too sensitive to the "He is calling me a Communist, that's McCarthyism!" syndrome. I think you are the one that is "still caught up in the Cold War Rhetoric!"

To: JohnM who wrote (60382)	12/8/2002 2:59:44 AM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

One can also read Marx as putting his money on some sort of inevitable movement of history. Since Harris picked the latter view rather than the former, he owed us, however quickly, a sentence or two as to why. Anyone who reads Marx as NOT asserting the inevitability of history has divorced Marx from the philosophical context of his times. Marx simply espoused for history what was popular at the time - Evolutionary theory. Social Evolutionary theory was very big. The idea that civilizations go through stages of development which can be inferred and applied to the study of society was all the rage. Marx's real breakthrough in this regard was applying the Dialectic to the scheme as an attempt to explain social change. Derek