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To: Neocon who wrote (60861)	12/10/2002 11:12:15 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Sorry to correct you again, but that is a Chinese curse. It is like the old Irish curse:"May you live in interesting times."

To: Neocon who wrote (60861)	12/10/2002 11:27:12 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

SDS ?------- Hmmmmmmmmmm Freedom of speech at work. And a good reason to have that, much better to let the young-uns air their complaints (and dreams) in the open instead of plotting behind closed doors. Perhaps the increased cost of living, the end of College benefits, the end of their parents financial support, or the realization that nobody cared to pay attention to their un-workable utopian ideas has reduced their numbers today. Do I sense a lack of work ethics there, perhaps a lack of respect for their elders, grandparents, etc. Respect for those who died for their country so they do not have to learn to speak German, Japanese or Russian just to order a Big Mac. Or perhaps have to work in a commune ? If they seriously want utopia ( and a better life for each other and even for foreigners ) they should get involved in plant genetics, developing Aids vaccines, cancer cures. But talking and "relating" (free love) is so much easier than studying or getting a job so they can help support those who do such things.. Sig

To: Neocon who wrote (60861)	12/10/2002 11:52:00 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Thanks for publishing the old SDS Port Huron manifesto, though I can't imagine what relevance it has for this thread. Tom Hayden wrote much of that and, if you've read any of his books, you will see the style. This is a classic SDS statement: In social change or interchange, we find violence to be abhorrent because it requires generally the transformation of the target, be it a human being or a community of people, into a depersonalized object of hate. It is imperative that the means of violence be abolished and the institutions -- local, national, international -- that encourage nonviolence as a condition of conflict be developed. That little paragraph is not quite Hayden's style, reads a bit more like a committee produced one. But it's an accurate representation of the commitments.