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To: Neocon who wrote (61337)12/12/2002 2:29:40 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Neocon; Re: "The whole thing started because zonder insinuated that we repudiated contractual obligations by setting aside "treaties we had signed"."

This is a sad case of revisionism, LOL. Zonder has been consistently accurate in the use of "sign" and "ratify" as applied to treaties. If you'd bothered to look back through the thread you will find the following:

zonder, December 11, 2002 12:23 PM
Bush is clearly out to conquer the world. He is turning the US into a "rogue state" - zero respect for world opinion, zero respect for international treaties, an unhealthy appetite for unilateral military action to whomever he does not like. And now he is threatening nuclear bombs. #reply-18325160

Nadine Carroll, in reply
Bush has a fine respect for international treaties -- the ones the US has signed, that is. #reply-18325407

zonder, in reply
I believe you are trying to say "ratification". US signed Kyoto Agreement AND the UN Charter, Nadine. #reply-18325591

LindyBill, in reply
Gotta "Check your Premises" zonder. We never signed the Kyoto agreement. #reply-18326043

zonder, in reply
Somebody tell Bill that the US signed Kyoto. I am off. Goodnight everyone. #reply-18326073

CobaltBlue, in reply
... I fear that the fine points of US law are lost upon you but present it anyway because hope springs eternal. #reply-18326416

zonder, in reply
Well, perhaps because this is not a fine point of US law. It is fairly simple. The US signed Kyoto. Then did not ratify, but that is another matter, one that I never contested. #reply-18328044

D. Long, in reply
I know you live in a beachfront feudal fairyland, but try please. #reply-18328050

zonder, in reply
If we look back at where this whole topic sprung from, we will see that it was the technicality of the US having signed the treaty. I realize they did not (and would not) ratify. I said all that. The point is that there are some out there arguing that the US did not sign it. That is simply not true. A very simple, albeit small, point. #reply-18328056

FaultLine, in reply
IMO, by Constitutional definition, it has not been signed. #reply-18329173

Bilow, in reply
MR. FLEISCHER: The treaty, as you know, was signed, but it was not ratified by the Senate. In fact, the Senate voted 95-0 against ratification of it. #reply-18330073

Let me translate the above.

Zonder was right. Her opponents are a pack of [insert insulting epithet here] whose use of the language not only disagrees with the US Constitution, but also disagrees with the use of the language by the Republican Administration's Press Secretary.

Jesus weeps!

-- Carl



To: Neocon who wrote (61337)12/12/2002 5:52:08 PM
From: FaultLine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
arose because of zonder's accusatory use of the word "signed"

yeah...

--fl@contentious.com