To: Neocon who wrote (61337 ) 12/12/2002 2:29:40 PM From: Bilow Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500 Hi Neocon; Re: "The whole thing started because zonder insinuated that we repudiated contractual obligations by setting aside "treaties we had signed". " This is a sad case of revisionism, LOL. Zonder has been consistently accurate in the use of "sign" and "ratify" as applied to treaties. If you'd bothered to look back through the thread you will find the following: zonder, December 11, 2002 12:23 PMBush is clearly out to conquer the world. He is turning the US into a "rogue state" - zero respect for world opinion, zero respect for international treaties, an unhealthy appetite for unilateral military action to whomever he does not like. And now he is threatening nuclear bombs. #reply-18325160 Nadine Carroll, in replyBush has a fine respect for international treaties -- the ones the US has signed, that is. #reply-18325407 zonder, in replyI believe you are trying to say "ratification". US signed Kyoto Agreement AND the UN Charter, Nadine. #reply-18325591 LindyBill, in replyGotta "Check your Premises" zonder. We never signed the Kyoto agreement. #reply-18326043 zonder, in replySomebody tell Bill that the US signed Kyoto. I am off. Goodnight everyone. #reply-18326073 CobaltBlue, in reply... I fear that the fine points of US law are lost upon you but present it anyway because hope springs eternal. #reply-18326416 zonder, in replyWell, perhaps because this is not a fine point of US law. It is fairly simple. The US signed Kyoto. Then did not ratify, but that is another matter, one that I never contested. #reply-18328044 D. Long, in replyI know you live in a beachfront feudal fairyland, but try please. #reply-18328050 zonder, in replyIf we look back at where this whole topic sprung from, we will see that it was the technicality of the US having signed the treaty. I realize they did not (and would not) ratify. I said all that. The point is that there are some out there arguing that the US did not sign it. That is simply not true. A very simple, albeit small, point. #reply-18328056 FaultLine, in replyIMO, by Constitutional definition, it has not been signed. #reply-18329173 Bilow, in replyMR. FLEISCHER: The treaty, as you know, was signed, but it was not ratified by the Senate. In fact, the Senate voted 95-0 against ratification of it. #reply-18330073 Let me translate the above. Zonder was right. Her opponents are a pack of [insert insulting epithet here] whose use of the language not only disagrees with the US Constitution, but also disagrees with the use of the language by the Republican Administration's Press Secretary. Jesus weeps! -- Carl