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To: Fred Levine who wrote (67133)	12/15/2002 9:56:07 PM
From: Fred Levine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

From an official Iranian News site: Younesi warns of historical rift between youth and revolution Tehran, Dec 15, IRNA -- Minister of Information Ali Younesi here Sunday warned of a 'historical rift between the youth and the past history of revolution and the nation'. Speaking at the opening ceremony of the seminar on 'Documents and Current History', he added, "We should not let the youth go into historical amnesia as this could seriously threaten our national identity." Any nation which breaks its links with the past will lose its identity and can be easily swayed in different path, Younesi said adding, "It is easy for others to impose a future on such a country." He said the hegemonistic nations as the enemies of the Muslim world's identity 'impose their own desired events on them to distance them from their past glorious history'. The previous regime's imperial court banished dignitaries who were instrumental in imposing tragedies here in the past century and 'are striving to distort history, through, their ill-gotten wealth and with the help of their masters. The minister said that despite the power of modern and innovative technology and far-reaching media 'the enemies have been less successfully implement some of their schemes with the aim of tarnishing the values of the nation'. Younesi referred to the 'Student Day'-December 7- as 'ever-living crime of the shah's regime', which, as a glorious chapter in the history of Islamic Revolution is now is being hijacked by the enemies. He further called on researchers, academics and scholars to embark on 'a renaissance of historiography to revitalize national identity and heritage'. He warned that if such efforts are delayed, "We can be bogged down in a historical ignorance and inertia which could become impossible to overcome in the future." Last week Tehran University students staged a demonstration at the Technical Faculty campus on Saturday to mark Students' Day. Chanting slogans, they called for release of prisoners detained on political charges. The protestors carried photos of students who were martyred by the deposed shah's regime in 1953. Students Mostafa Bozorg-nia, Shariat Razavi and Nasser Qandchi were martyred by the deposed regime's police when they had joined a demonstration to protest a plan to accord a honorary doctorate to Richard Nixon (vice-president in the Eisenhower administration) from Tehran University while his visit to Tehran in 1953. Nixon was due to celebrate the US-engineered coup to topple the popular government of then prime minister Mohammad Mossadeq four months earlier in 1953 over which the United States spent dlrs 21 million. Some scuffles broke out between the police and the students who insisted to head for outside the campus. The students had been allowed to observe the national day inside the campus, but not to take to the streets. Police cordoned off the streets nearby the university to control the demonstration. NB/AH End fred

To: Fred Levine who wrote (67133)	12/15/2002 10:39:55 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Fred: I must wrap things up… starting the day very early tomorrow. I’ll get to the subject further another time. For now, I must say that your questions are good. It is not enough to proclaim that we must win, the question is, HOW? I think I differ with you and some other people here in a sense that you seem to think that our opponents may be amenable to reason, to being influenced by economic and other practical considerations. I think that this view may be underestimating one critical fact: They take their religion seriously. This is the reason that I pointed you to articles like the “Fantasy Ideology” and to the presentation by Shaykh Kabbani. Why shouldn’t I believe that those people value their “street” (to quote Kabbani) interpretation of Islam more then life itself? Haven‘t they proved it many times? To quote Kabbani again, no one can reason with them. In the end, the truth is that anything we can do about it is limited. The only people who can and should and must proclaim Jihad against their extremists are Muslims themselves. If they do, there is a chance. If they don’t, I have little doubt that the extremists will eventually find a way to radicalize the Muslim world and capture political power – NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. Perhaps, the most important thing we can do is to assist them in understanding the above, for if they don’t, their moderates will eventually find themselves being “re-educated” in the GULAGs and the killing fields – which will spring up all over the place – on their side of the future Iron Curtain. BTW, I do find it disturbing that Europeans seem to have achieved such an extreme consensus against American policies. If you trade, you know what such a consensus means. I would be very worried if we Americans had such a consensus about… anything. (One more thing… the name SkiNowSki seemed like a good idea when I first picked it – I am a skier. Call me Ski… or whatever… at my age I’m not sure I want to be known as “skin” -bg).

To: Fred Levine who wrote (67133)	12/16/2002 8:20:45 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 70976

Add to what you and the others have written, a revamped US foreign policy going forward. I spent the weekend reviewing all my assumptions about US policy. My views are always clouded by a deep seated patriotism combined with a perpetually optimistic view of things. I believe we must take care of business now vis a vis terrorists and the axis of evil. We must take care of business carefully and recognize each case as unique. I think Bush is doing just that. But the real test is after and regardless of philosophies of medieval islam or the conventional wisdom of perpetual war and hatred between Arab and Jew, nothing short of a regional Marshall Plan encompssing all free(undefined as of yet) arabs states, Israel, Iran and even Turkey must be implemented. In looking back, the marshall plan and the rebuilding of Japna jump out as the best in American foreign policy. Why not again? mike PS #1Some news for this morning. News blaring we are getting to crisis time in Iran and that the Mullahs are about to create a disturbance calling for a major crackdown on the demonstrators and the removal of the Katami. #2 Arafat to bin Laden "Go to Hell". Is the old boy waking up to the new reality. #3 Israel has stopped some major terror activity against them in the last few days and the Jordanian and Pakistanis are doing like wise. #4 Sean Penn attacks america while in bagdad. Is there a way to keep him from coming back? Does Iraq of a movie industry? Perhaps Sean could play the young saddam in a romantic movie about his early loves?