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To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (210588)	12/19/2002 6:35:19 AM
From: Bill/WA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Lee, Quite a post! <<Is there any group I didn't tick off in this post>> Think you pretty well covered it<G> Reminds me of a few little tunes by the Chad Mitchell Trio back when I was in college (betcha KT remembers them). "The whole world is suffering with unhappy souls, The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles, Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch, And I don't like anybody very much" "God made the world in six days flat, On the seventh, he said I'll rest. So he let the thing, into orbit swing, To give it a dry run test. A billion years went by, And he looked at the spinning blob, And then he thought with disgust, Oh well, it was only a six day job." Regards<G> Bill/WA

To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (210588)	12/19/2002 12:52:59 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Lee, would like to make only 3 remark to your post - 1. there is archeological evidence that the people who call themselves Jews were living there for over 2500 years and were several time deported / subjugated from Assyrians, to Egyptians to Romans to Arabs to Crusaders 2. Mohammed the founder of the Islam designed a religion to bring himself to power by very bloody means. Yes history is filled with similar event but the difference is that it has not turned in a religion that justifies massacres and murders to achieve power 3. The Koran outlines in detail why Jews should be killed as should be Christians and other "nonbelievers" the point is that Islam lets any religious appointee to interpret and issue new orders / laws (fathwa) and there is the problem. As to my misunderstanding - my apologies BTW have you heard of the huge massacre around the turn of the last century of million of Christians by Muslims in what is now Syria, Iraq, Turkia etc.?

To: Lee Lichterman III who wrote (210588)	12/19/2002 2:46:36 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

nationalreview.com elements of Islamic faith such as Muhammad's prophetic claim and miraculous journey to Jerusalem (for which journey there is no evidence whatsoever except the word of Muhammad himself, who never went to Jerusalem in any ordinary manner) ................................. " ........ according to the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), last spring the prestigious and respected Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar University in Cairo. Tantawi declared that suicide bombing was "the highest form of Jihad operations," and that "every martyrdom operation against any Israeli, including children, women, and teenagers, is a legitimate act according to [Islamic] religious law, and an Islamic commandment." ...............why millions of Muslims endorse the violent jihad preached by Islamic organizations spanning the globe — from Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad to the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Jemaah Islamiah in Southeast Asia, Al-Gamaa al-Islamiyya in Egypt, the Armed Islamic Group in Algeria, Al-Ummah in India, the Abu Sayyaf group in the Philippines, and so many others. ............................. the fact that the production deals explicitly with Muhammad's notorious massacre of the Jewish Bani Qurayzah tribe — an exercise of seventh-century warrior brutality of the kind that Muslim terrorists today invoke to justify their actions. But we would never know that from PBS. In the documentary, the well-known American convert to Islam Hamza Yusuf, clearly uncomfortable with the subject, notes that "uh, approximately 700 men, uh, were killed. Uh, they were executed. So, this definitely occurred." ............................................ Koran verses such as the one that declares that the "People of the Book" (i.e., Jews and Christians) "incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath" so that "some He transformed into apes and swine" (Sura 5:60). amazon.com