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To: JohnM who wrote (62444)	12/20/2002 9:55:38 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

John: I have been wondering about this... Bush and Karl Rove are political animals who have been quite fortunate SO FAR. Yet, what do they really think they will gain by going to war with Iraq...? Its hard to come up with a President that has lead this country into a major war who was able to get re-elected. This war with Iraq and the re-building of the country could cost hundreds of billions and destabilize our already fragile economy. We have been able to contain Iraq (and North Korea) and why go to war when you really don't have to...? I firmly believe if we go to war next year our economy will take a big hit and The U.S. will become more vulnerable to terrorist attacks -- I can't see how Bush would ever get re-elected if this happens (IMO, going to war in The Middle East may accelerate the downfall of Bush and insure that he won't have a chance of re-election in '04). Unfortunately, we may have to experience a lot of pain and spend A LOT of tax dollars to demonstrate that history often repeats itself.

To: JohnM who wrote (62444)	12/20/2002 11:13:14 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It's a step in the wrong direction. Yes, it is, John. But this time the "Dark Side" has a good argument. So those of us in the "Rebel Forces" are going to see it happen, I am afraid. As another poster has pointed out, this seems to be a step toward monitoring the overall networks, rather than individual messages. But it will proliferate, of course. I suspect they want to set up the same way as the NSA, and sort and read messages by picking out certain words or phrases within them. Of course, this has been a failure for the NSA from what I can read. They want to identify the ISPs, (I think that is the correct term,) of the Terrorists and then read their messages. They have had some success with doing this with the Cell Phones of the Terrorists, and want to expand to the internet. They are obviously going to do this without Court Orders, Who would be able to monitor them? If they are non-citizens or overseas, it would be totally legal. How do we stop "Big Brother" and do we want to? Certainly the "PC" before 911 was a least an excuse not to monitor the potential terrorists more closely. And "Profiling" is still a cry against needed intelligence. It is not an easy area to monitor.