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To: BSGrinder who wrote (24038)12/22/2002 10:52:03 AM
From: el_gaviero  Respond to of 36161
 
Good post, BSGrinder, about similarities between Rome and us. My only comment: you forgot perhaps the closest and most ominous parallel of all: the wave after wave of foreign peoples who moved into and settled within the confines of the Empire. Rome responded by extending citizenship to these new peoples, which perhaps did not seem like such a bad idea at the time. After all, the new people felt genuine admiration for the accomplishments of Rome. Only trouble was: they had not the slightest clue concerning how and why Rome was able to do what it did.



To: BSGrinder who wrote (24038)12/22/2002 1:11:53 PM
From: speculux  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36161
 
<20-40 years before our empire is eclipsed>

Let's hope we don't see this. Rises & falls of civilizations seem inevitable however
time frames are very difficult to forcast IMO.
What becomes important is rate of change/disruption.
A world in which the U.S. is not the dominant
political & economic power may be tolerable to those of us in the 'West' but it is
hard to imagine that military decline would not accompany this and
I believe the odds favor a chaotic outcome should
that become the case. In any event, an overvalued
and declining USD doesn't necessarily lead to
'The end of civilization as we know it' as some
would suggest.

Regards



To: BSGrinder who wrote (24038)12/22/2002 2:51:04 PM
From: Crimson Ghost  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 36161
 
One BIG difference between the Roman and US empires. The Romans were willing to suffer HEAVY CASUALTIES in their numerous military adventures. Does anybody seriously think that the US populace would do the same? Once the body bags start coming home in large numbers and/or the war party moves towards drafting young Americans for combat -- support for imperial adventures will melt faster than snow in Arabia



To: BSGrinder who wrote (24038)12/22/2002 3:37:26 PM
From: Knighty Tin  Respond to of 36161
 
Kit, My main point is that when Rome fell, the Roman Empire hadn't been based there in 100 years. It would be like D.C. falling after we've moved our capital to Honolulu. <g>

I think we are between the glorious reign of Alexius Comnenus and the diastrous reign of his grand nephew Andronicus Comnenus. But, then, it's all Greek to me. <VBG> My Republican friends say that Clinton was Caligula and Bush is Claudius the Bumbler.