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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (20800)	12/23/2002 9:18:50 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

zonder you said....." First and foremost, let me say that I do not particularly like any religion."..... Agreed. I feel the same but at this time in history islam is the problem. ...." Could you give some quotes? "..... I have done so many times in the past, suppose I could do so again at the risk of being called down again by those who strongly support islam. Just gets tiring. ....." I have read the Quran, the Bible, and the Torah, mainly to be able to say "You are wrong, it does not say so" to the religious nuts. What I can say, comparatively, is that there is no more sexual or violent "badness" in the Quran than in the other two books that precede it. ".... ....." Or are you not familiar with the story of Elisha, where God sends down two she-bears to tear thirty-odd children into bloody bits, because they made fun of the bald head of Elisha, who was apparently a holy man? Can you explain to me just how the story of Lot and the two virgin daughters he offers an army of soldiers "to do as they please" so that they will leave him alone, is any more acceptable sexually than what you read in the Quran?"..... Then they are all wrong and should be changed. ....." The fact is, no religion is any more civilized than any other. The difference is that Christians have made their own revolution and do not care so much for their religion in their daily live s, and Muslims have not yet gone through this process and are still living in the dark ages of their religion. "...... Agreed. But I do believe that some religions are more civilized that others and for the reason you stated...revolution or evolution. ....." And the Christian religion has never been used as a weapon to kill? Let me point you in the direction of the witch hunts of European dark ages, where tens of thousands of single women (and some men) whose only crime was perhaps having a mole or two on their faces were burnt at the stake as ordered by their religion. ("Suffer not a witch to live" - Exodus 22:18 )"...... Sure the christian religion has been used to kill but as you have suggested previously they have got past that point, islam has not and is now the problem and must change. ....." Or are you perhaps not familiar with the wonderful world of Inquisition that has reigned terror throughout Europe and was responsible for the torture, mutilation, and eventual death through agony of tens of thousands? Was the Christian religion not used as a weapon to kill???"..... Yes. Agreed ...." (1) There is no "bible" of Islam. That book is called the "Quran"."..... I know that and if you look at past posts you would see that I use the word quran most of the time. It is just another religious book..that's all. ....." (2) You cannot rewrite a book like the Quran. How would Christians like it if others tried to rewrite their holy book? Let us be serious in our suggestions for a solution to the problem."..... And just why not? The book was written by humans and subject to error, why not fix any mistakes that do not fit in to days society. I believe there have been changes to christian bibles over the years do you agree? ....." (3) "educate people in the new and improved Islam"? That sounds like a new diet coke recipe. Are you under the impression that religions are consumer goods? "..... Are you under the impression that religion does not sell or that some religions are not profit making organizations?? ....." As with any religion, the followers of Islam will outgrow their religion. Then will come a revolution. But it will have to come from the inside. No outside force can rewrite the Quran or educate Muslims in a different religion. That is a very naive suggestion. ..... Agreed it has to come from the inside. I don't agree that muslims will outgrow there religion unless you mean that it will eventually some day just fade away like all religions may do. When you say....." the followers of Islam will outgrow their religion. Then will come a revolution.".... Do you then agree that islam was wrong from the start and has no choice but to change?