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To: LindyBill who wrote (63256)	12/28/2002 12:27:37 PM
From: Rascal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Rather than playing the "Blame Game" why don't you discuss the present problem, and suggest some ways out of it, if you see any? I don't think we can pay these people off any more, we have tried that and it has failed. Or do you disagree and want to go back to the payoff policy Carter and Clinton set up? " It's just too simple to play the blame card. I think Rollcast was the one to start the inflammatory contrasting of CLinton and Bush : "Wouldn't that mean that the Clinton/Carter "diplomatic" effort had effectively subsidized North Korea's nuclear program for 24 months?" I make an effort to post factual information andt the fact remains that from 1992 to 2000 was the CLinton presidency and since then we have the Bush presidency. So different tactics at different times are assigned to one or the other. .And regarding this: "payoff policy Carter and Clinton set up?" We payoff all the time.... Pakistan, Qatar, Israel etc. Regardless of whether they are democratic, despotic or somatic. "all I hear from you is that "It's Bush's fault for getting North Korea mad, and lets stop all activity in the ME while we:_____________________________((Do What with North Korea?)" I never said any of this. All I push (in every post, I hope) is a desire to give peace a chance. Diplomacy, engagement, talking. Fifteen years ago you would not have dreamed of the "apparent" supportive relationship between the USA and Russia. Think back over the past 5o years about the bad guys were then and now. VietNam is OK with us now as is Japan, Russia and Italy (well that was just a fluke). I think we speak too much of war as an answer and not enough talk about Peace. Use the BUlly Pulpit, etc. Rascal@ wearebetterthanthis.com

To: LindyBill who wrote (63256)	12/29/2002 11:05:06 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Bill, I love these posts in which you castigate whomsoever for the blame game, blaming Bush; then proceed to blame Clinton. It's pretty clear that the Bush folk have handled North Korea badly from the get go, that processes were in place at the end of the Clinton administration that were disrupted; that this was yet another situation in which the Bush mantra of doing everything the opposite of Clinton proved to be bad policy.