To: energyplay who wrote (27150 ) 1/8/2003 6:59:58 PM From: Raymond Duray Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 Re: What the economy needs now is some Keynesian defict spending. Hopefully, our Congress will be up to the challenge of spending money ;-) I'm a huge fan of infrastructure developments. Light rail, highway maintenance (especially bridges), sewer and water works, etc. This is what sets us apart from third world nations. I think it is fabulous that the Chinese government is working with Gerhard Schoeder, Siemans other German engineering teams to create maglev systems in Shanghai and hopefully in the rest of China. This is progress and intelligent development. In the U.S., in contrast, what we seem to be obsessing over is anything related to creating the police state. Surveillance techniques including unmanned flying spies are a DARPA fetish, as is the sinister Total Information Awareness clique. Most of what we seem to be developing is not aimed at bettering the lives of average citizens, but at bettering the government's ability to control and spy on the average citizen. Here in Oregon, there's even a task force that wants to impose a Big Brother GPS locators on every vehicle in the state. Others want GPS locators on every cell phone. Pretty soon privacy will be a thing of the past, or available only to the rich who'll be able to contravene all this surveillance crapola. I'm rambling. Sorry. It's just that the direction this country is headed in seems so at odds with the stated ideals of our nation. And so reminiscent of the methods of Germany in the 1930's. I'm going to attend this lecture soon to find out about more parallels:hdforum.org Spooky times we are living in. -Ray