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To: tony who wrote (8027)	1/9/2003 9:20:39 PM
From: get shorty	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

Agreed, no shortage of people now. During the bubble it was a completely different story. I started to read the UCDavis document and found so many holes in its logic, that I gave up. For example; Question: The industry lobbyists say the alleged high-tech labor shortage is due to the failure of our K-12 educational system to develop math skills for engineering careers. Is that true? The main answer to this question is that the vast majority of high-tech H-1Bs are programmers, not engineers, and programming does not use math. footnote: An obvious exception is software for mathematical applications, and theoretical computer science as an academic discipline is sometimes of a mathematical character. So, the question is a red herring to begin with. Red Herring? Most computer science programs require upwards of 3 semesters of Calculus and other advanced mathematics. If you can't get through the math, you're not going to complete the CS program. You probably wouldn't even be allowed to enroll in the upper-division CS classes. I don't see how this is a red herring, so I didn't care to read much further past the first flawed statement. The supply and demand issue came from declining Engineering and Science grads, precisely when they were needed the most. The author does seem to make a distinction between engineers and programmers, claiming there was never a shortage of programmers I don't know that I'd argue his point about programmers, but without question the shortage of engineers during the mid to late 90's was not a fabrication.