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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (11404)	1/9/2003 2:49:31 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

A rare moment of honesty about the media business: <<< On CNN's "American Morning" program Aug. 5, Cafferty mixed candor with exemplary media arrogance: "This is a commercial enterprise. This is not PBS. We're not here as a public service. We're here to make money. We sell advertising, and we do it on the premise that people are going to watch. If you don't cover the miners because you want to do a story about a debt crisis in Brazil at the time everybody else is covering the miners, then Citibank calls up and says, 'You know what? We're not renewing the commercial contract.' I mean it's a business." >>> commondreams.org

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (11404)	1/9/2003 2:59:16 PM
From: Mike M2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Jim ,what also kills me is the loyal blue collar union democrats reward under Clinton was GATT, NAFTA, Rubin/ Summers strong dollar( gold suppression) which help damage our manufacturing base . A country that cannot manufacture cannot win a war . If the economy of the 90s happened under a republican president the liberal press would have been screaming bloody murder. Mike

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (11404)	1/9/2003 11:00:41 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 89467

IMHO Clinton and his advisors had an entirely different vision of and for the world than the bookend Bushes. Nuclear War will mean an ultimate end of this world, an end beyond gold, bullets, or caves. In this vein Clinton viewed the world as a potential interlocked trading entity, an entity where no country can exist without trade with it's neighbors, and it's neighbors located on a global basis. This is a vision for peace through interdependance and a good chance at prosperity. In this context Clinton's administration treated countries as if they were members of this global trading community if they were willing to participate. China did participate. They were well on their way to changing their ways. I have no doubt that China received assistance in launching satellites, not as a government policy, but because that is the way companies who are in joint ventures treat each other. As far as nuclear technology, I also have no doubt whatsoever that it was transfered before the Clinton administration, perhaps as early as the 1970's when I recall the first large groups of Chinese technologists entering the country (and competing for my job). Stopping nuclear war is too core to the philosophy for me to imagine any attempt at proliferation. Well, it might seem like a dream now, but it was achievable. Clinton proved that. Bush Junior has had to go amazingly out of his way to be enough of an international Ahole to fragment the former pax terra. The world is not a better place because countries are again trying to figure out how to produce everything in isolation. It might help gold prices, that is all. The particular bees in your bonnet: do you admire his dismantling of intelligence networks and dismissal of all Arab-speaking agents* A distortion, Clinton was fighting Al Queida while the Bin Laden family was still snuggling with the Bushes at Carlyle. do you respect the widespread internet theft of weapons systems? I don't know what you mean, I do appreciate that the formerly top military secrets like CDMA telephony and high resolution cat-scan technology was released for public use. I don't know what else you mean unless Danni-Ashe is a weapon. do you hold him in high regard for lying to the American public about his pubic exercises? I admire that Clinton did not kiss and tell. It was nobody's business but he and Monica. It seems like it would have been a good idea to say nothing, but that wasn't really an option. I don't fault Clinton for that, I fault the vast rightwing conspiracy that hounded him day and night. Anyone who watched him knows he said F*K You to the press, and that was exactly the answer they deserved. (It was also the answer those watching the press deserved) do you applaud his pardons for hire upon exit?* I don't care much about the pardons one way or another. Nobody got pardoned that I thought was a major risk to safety or national security. It's not as if he pardoned Poindexter or Ollie North or something. None of these people were trading arms with our enemies. The strong dollar was a result of a strong vision for the future. I'm still convinced it was on it's way, all that stuff, broadband communication leading to remote controlled proxie robots. Heady stuff, and all possible ( I know, that's my profession), it could easily be an order of magnitude difference in the ability for the average person to have synthetic servants and employees. Immense infrastructure was required though, worldwide infrastructure, the kind Clinton was building (and Gore too, not dynamic in personality but he knows the vision). It's being flushed now, round and round it goes, then it's gone. Was there a bubble? yes, but it was not all bubble. There was a vision too. It was not a vision of growing greenhouse gasses and the incredible infrastructure changes required to adjust all parts of the country to new environmental zones. The rest of the world be damned! It was not the vision of an agressive imperialist force lead by the most corrupt manipulators who will reap increasing hostility from the rest of the world. It's not a vision of endless religious war. It was a vision of a world of choices. What do I admit? I admit that we did not realize that a win at any cost group of old and bitter and corrupt would toss away the future of the world just so they could gloat. TP