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To: TimF who wrote (157880)	1/10/2003 9:57:45 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1580075

Its true Reagan was popular but he was also a centrist Rep. Thats not what the Democrats where saying at the time or for many years later. This is a new one on me, too. I've never heard of Reagan referred to as "centrist". In fact, he is often-cited as the perfect example of the hardliner, Religious-Right supporting Republican. His popularity was borne of lots of characteristics, but most importantly, he brought America back from the humiliation it suffered under Carter with the hostage crisis. At the time, we all had gone from believing we were the strongest nation in the world to a weak, helpless nation overrun by a group of Mideastern thugs.

To: TimF who wrote (157880)	1/10/2003 9:59:13 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1580075

The facts are that a strong majority of journalists voted for Clinton as opposed to 43% of the overall population. A very strong majority, indeed: "A survey of his colleagues by a White House correspondent has confirmed that the Freedom Forum poll, showing 89 percent of Washington reporters voted for Clinton and 50 percent identify themselves as Democrats, but just four percent as Republicans, matches how they've voted since 1976." secure.mediaresearch.org

To: TimF who wrote (157880)	1/12/2003 11:05:28 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1580075

If what you're saying is true, then a majority of tv news viewers will be watching FOX in the not too distant future since conservative viewers now have a choice. 1 - There are other reasons to pick a news show to watch other then its ideological balance. 2 - I never said conservatives where a strong majority, meerly that they are not out of the mainstream. If they prevail, they are in the mainstream. To prevail or predominate, then conservative media outlets must be the dominate ones. To date, they are not......so I would not call conservatism mainstream. 3 - If you consider FOX to be conservative and think that people choose what to watch based on ideology then you would have to conceed that conservatism in the US is strong and growing. Definitely, its growing. Hopefully, its a passing fad. Its true Reagan was popular but he was also a centrist Rep. Thats not what the Democrats where saying at the time or for many years later. Most people would call Reagan a conservative. His themes where tax cuts, a strong defense, a (failed) attempt to cut domestic spending and deregulation. He was far more bold on tax cuts and defense increases then GW has ever been. He called the Soviet Union the "evil empire". Sure that was just recognizing reality but it was a very un PC perhaps even non moderate thing to say. Bush Sr. was well to the left of Reagan, thats part of the reason he didn't last for two terms. He promised no new taxes and then increased taxes, while Reagan promised tax cuts and deliever them. Bush Sr. raised taxes, cut military spending, and increased regulation at a faster pace then it had increased under Reagan. Hardly an example of outflanking Reagan on the right. The public perception is that Reagan is much more a centrist conservative than Bush Sr. Bush Sr. lost the election not because he didn't cut taxes but because he screwed up the economy. In fact, I believe most news media are close to center as well... ...it may appear only to rightist conservatives that they are liberal. And while D. Ray goes on and on about newspeople being Dems.......I have seen no facts to support that position. The facts are that a strong majority of journalists voted for Clinton as opposed to 43% of the overall population. Links please. Polling data show that a majority of the country supports ending affirmitive action and outlawing partial birth abortion, but this is rarely reported and the ideas are more often bashed then supported by the main stream media. Links please. An insane person with a gun shooting up a building is written up as definitive proof of the need for more gun control but the many people who defend themselves and others with privatly owned guns almost never even gets a mention. I doubt that the media is intentionally not writing up these stories. I think its a conservative fabrication and an example of conservative propaganda in order to help conservatives preserve the notion that owning a gun is justified. Besides, if anything, the increase in gun ownership by private individuals has lead to an increase, not decrease, in the numbers of people killed by guns in this country.........or do you need to be reminded that this country is the only developed one experiencing an on going increase in deaths attributable to guns. So two possible contentions........yours.......that the population is basically conservative and have not had a choice in their tv viewing til now..or that most Americans are mostly near right or left of center, and so candidates and media outlets close to center do well. That's another logical falicy. Its called false dilemma. You say it has to be either A or B and ask which, but the truth is C, that the country is balanced between liberals and conservatives with at most a slight and perhaps temporary tilt to conservatives and with a lot of moderates, but that the press has a strong (but diminishing if you include the growth of new conservative media outlets) tilt to the liberal side. Right......"is balanced between liberals and conservatives with a slight and perhaps temporary tilt to conservatives". You're as bad as D. Ray. Let me remind you that Gore won the popular vote even with a third party candidate siphoning off liberal votes. However, in 1992, a conservative candidate, Bush Sr., who you claim was left of Reagan and therefore, more centrist lost the popular vote when a third party, conservative candidate siphoned some off. In both elections, the Dem. candidate was considered a weak contender with a small home state to back him up. So let me rephrase your earlier statement........the country is skewed towards the liberal party with the conservative party acting as a strong minority. I think I got it right. But then again, FOX's viewership is growing........there could be a shift in the wind......no, I think its just bad air coming up from the paper plants in Tacoma. <g> ted Enter symbols or keywords for search: QuotesStock TalkChartsNewsPeople Symbol Lookup Subject Titles Only Full Text Go to Top Terms of Use Got a comment, question or suggestion? Contact Silicon Investor.