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To: zonder who wrote (2197)	1/13/2003 8:16:20 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

That's new. What parties? It's not new. Street parties in Gaza. If you want to see pictures, check the Little Green Footballs blog after any suicide bombing, they run the stories. They threw parties after Sept 11th too, though the PA confiscated most of the videotape. Or did you miss that too? And what happens after the investigations? Has anyone in the Israeli army ever been convicted for unnecessarily causing some Palestinian child's death? (Just asking. I don't know the answer) Yes, they have. And they certainly don't make heroes of the killers as the Palestinians do. >>Carpet bombing of Tel Aviv, I should think I doubt it. Even putting aside the human element, and the fact that Muslims also live in Tel Aviv (which would probably be a no-no for them), it would be a Very Stupid Thing indeed. I never said Hamas had the PR smarts of Fatah. For starters, they are too honest about their genocidal intentions. They have shown no particular shyness about killing Muslims as collateral damage, either. For instance, they have suicide-bombed Arab-owned restaurants with mixed clientele, buses on routes that go through Arab villages, and the Hebrew University, which has many Arab students. Every Friday, the imams in Gaza say, 'Kill the Jews, the sons of apes and pigs'. And they have been trying to as hard as they can. Why in hell should I doubt for a minute what they would do with an Apache? >>Why hasn't it happened to Ramallah? Because it is a Very Stupid Thing indeed, and would turn the world opinion as well as the US opinion against Israel faster than you could say "Jerusalem". It would be stupid indeed, but that's not why it hasn't happened. It hasn't happened because the Israelis value Arab lives more than Arab leaders do. If they didn't -- if the Israelis responded to uprising like Hafez al Assad responded to the uprising in Hama in 1982 (hear about that one?) -- then the Palestinians would not have lasted long.

To: zonder who wrote (2197)	1/13/2003 8:34:29 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

That's new. What parties? That's NOT new Zonder.. It's one of the horrific aspects related to this suicide bombing phoenomena. They brainwash their young people to CRAVE death.. To collect 72 virgins as a reward.. To send money to their family as a reward for the sacrifice for the martyrdom of their child... That's why Palestinians and Arabs were dancing on 9/11 in response to the suicide attacks that killed 3,000 people.. At least until Arafat and some Arab leaders put the pressure on them to stop such public displays.. Zonder my dear.. I'm don't want to patronize you, but you really need to understand the mentality of the Islamic militants who are behind the strategy of suicide bombings and the kind of mental twisting that is required to make people prefer death over life.. They definitely do not value our lives as highly as you value theirs. Forget the fact that they are muslims.. Imagine any religious cult which advocated such kinds of terroristic attacks, whether it be christian, shinto, jewish, or hindi.. I don't care about the religion.. I care about what it's fanatics are teaching. The Jews fought their own "guerilla war" against the British, and some of them committed very questionable acts of terror.. But none of them that I know of, ever based their strategy upon blowing themselves up while targeting civilians. Hawk

To: zonder who wrote (2197)	1/14/2003 3:35:15 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 15987

regarding Palestinian parties for "martyrdom operations", here's a report from last summer's attack on Hebrew University (which has a lot of Arab students, btw): Thousands in Gaza march in celebration of Hebrew U attack By THE JERUSALEM POST INTERNET STAFF Thousands of demonstrators marched in Gaza, in a display of celebration over the suicide attack at the Hebrew University earlier Wednesday, which claimed the lives of seven and wounded thirty-nine, Itim news agency reported. jpost.com A month later, another attack: Party Night in Gaza Again littlegreenfootballs.com; They even throw parties, thought smaller ones, when the "martyrs" died trying but failing to kill Jews: Just around the corner, Hassan Abu Shob was hosting a party for his 15-year- old son, Haithem, who died last Thursday trying to infiltrate Dugit. Israeli soldiers shot him in the neck and in the side before he could set off the handmade pipe bomb he was carrying. "I am not too sad about my son because I believe that he is a martyr, and is now with God," Haithem's father said. "He did the right thing. He died trying to liberate Palestine." That their children died in complete vain -- no enemy Jews sent to hell -- does not seem to disturb these parents. littlegreenfootballs.com