To: greenspirit who wrote (66295 ) 1/16/2003 6:09:25 AM From: frankw1900 Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500 I don't think Sanes has it right:the third system that has the ability to inspire people across borders is statist liberalism, which is based on the effort to contain capitalism within a bureaucratic state dedicated to equality and social justice. The focus of this system is on using money generated from taxes to minister to people?s needs and defend them from unfair treatment, which means they become consumers of government services. It too relies on the wealth generated by the market, but it is definitively shaped by welfare bureaucracies and liberal/left interest groups. Like corporate capitalism, which it is typically in competition with for power, it is joined together with democracy. The "statist liberalism" he posits is not a "system" different in essentials from the US democracy. The difference between the US and European way of doing things is only a diffrence in emphasis: Europe emphasizes more welfare and regulation than does US. It costs them economically but in the end, there's little difference, they still believe in democracy and reason.The Islamists do not and fascists and rulers of failed states do not. I think Kagan's explanation of the US Europen differences as seen in Policy Review June 02, is far more convincing:[I] t is time to stop pretending that Europeans and Americans share a common view of the world, or even that they occupy the same world. On the all-important question of power ? the efficacy of power, the morality of power, the desirability of power ? American and European perspectives are diverging. Europe is turning away from power, or to put it a little differently, it is moving beyond power into a self-contained world of laws and rules and transnational negotiation and cooperation. It is entering a post-historical paradise of peace and relative prosperity, the realization of Kant?s ?Perpetual Peace.? The United States, meanwhile, remains mired in history, exercising power in the anarchic Hobbesian world where international laws and rules are unreliable and where true security and the defense and promotion of a liberal order still depend on the possession and use of military might. That is why on major strategic and international questions today, Americans are from Mars and Europeans are from Venus: They agree on little and understand one another less and less. And this state of affairs is not transitory ? the product of one American election or one catastrophic event. The reasons for the transatlantic divide are deep, long in development, and likely to endure. When it comes to setting national priorities, determining threats, defining challenges, and fashioning and implementing foreign and defense policies, the United States and Europe have parted ways. policyreview.org The "globalism" of the West Sanes talks about is the same international culture Marx mentions in the Manifesto and it's in conflict as always with reactionary forces such as Islamism.