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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (14562)	1/16/2003 12:56:16 PM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Your "either/or" statement is just not correct. I don't know how else to say this, but here I try again: Either the universe as a whole is self-existent, self-sustaining and eternal, or; The universe as a whole, came into existence at a particular point, a view known as the "big bang" is the a popular expression of this. I believe the latter has been the more popular theory for a very long time now. If you start with the second view then universe as we see it today is the result of a chain of cause and effect events that lead directly back to a single particle "Singularity", not particle. The other option which I hold to be untenable is that the single particle began to exist spontaneously without a cause, because there is nothing else in the equation. Are you claiming to have studied and understood the myriad equations on the Big Bang? Excuse me if I find that hard to believe, especially since I did try to go over them and found it a bit harder than learning a new language and gave up. Greg - Have you read the links I have posted the last time you said "That's not science, that's delusion" to matter appearing by itself in vacuum? Message 18441485 I believe you have not. Which means you STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PARTICLES DO APPEAR OUT OF NOWHERE, BY THEMSELVES, in vacuum. Which means I am fast approaching apathy with regards to this conversation, because repeating the same (basic) finds that modern science now considers ELEMENTAL is beginning to get to me. If you would like to continue this correspondence, I urge you to read the links I have posted, which includes the Casimir Effect and observations on particles spontaneously appearing in vacuum. So what is the problem? The problem is that you do not read the links I post and continue to stubbornly claim that particles cannot appear out of a vacuum by themselves. They can, they do, and there is ample physical evidence of this phenomenon. Please let us not continue this debate any further until you understand the validity of the above statement through a bit of research on your own.