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To: TigerPaw who wrote (158342)	1/17/2003 10:12:16 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575205

The point was that disparities in opportunity don't dissapear on their own. So what? Why SHOULD they disappear at all? Who said everyone has to have the same opportunity? My parents worked hard to give me and my siblings a head start. I've worked hard to give my kids a head start. Why should THAT be taken away from them, for WHATEVER reason? And certainly not on the bogus notion that by discriminating against ME you can cure some wrong done to someone else. The idea is absurd. <That is why corrective affirmative action is required to resolve the past racially motivated disparities. It's not a stable situation and dragging it out another 50 years will be to nobody's advantage. Affirmative Action hasn't "corrected" anything yet. All it does is creates a class of people who don't know what it is to work hard to succeed. That's not in ANYONE's interest. African Americans don't NEED a handout. Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice are the best evidence of this fact. African Americans can and will excel -- but not if they receive preferential treatment. Anyone who would support the concept of Affirmative Action clearly could never understand why it is wrong. If you have to stop and think about it, I'd say you're just not capable of comprehending what's wrong with it. The wrong is obvious.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (158342)	1/19/2003 9:37:39 AM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575205

Tigerpaw Re..The point was that disparities in opportunity don't dissapear on their own. Nor will they disappear with AA, unless the minorities are willing do what it takes to become as valuable of an employee, on average, as a non minority employee. In fact, I would venture to say that AA hurts, as much as it helps, because the fear of litigation makes people leary of hiring minorities. It becomes a game where you only hire who you have to, and only promote who you have to, and to only look at minorities as a quota, not as valuable employees with merits on their own rights. There is a risk of litigation with any employee, however AA greatly increases those risks, so before you hire too many minorities, you must be prepared to add new minority managers, or replace your current managers;bad employees are a problem with any race, but letting minorities go offers special problems, with their related costs and risks.. On the whole, the minorities would be better of without the stigma of being hired as a racial quota. In my case, I hire minorities, as they are often the best available. However, I usually tell them that I am not under EEOC guidelines, and that I hired them for what they can do, not what the gov. tells me. And that keeping their job depends upon how they approach the job. And I haven't had a problem yet, however, if one of the black employees wanted to quit, and yell racism, then I would be broke defending my self against gov. lawyers,even though I have hired blacks for 30 yrs without a problem; so it is a risk.