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To: Mani1 who wrote (158357)	1/18/2003 9:20:13 AM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 1575621

Mani, Well said. EOM Steve

To: Mani1 who wrote (158357)	1/18/2003 9:25:51 AM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1575621

To say they are disadvantaged based on their race, is same as saying that they are genetically incapable of performing at the same level as whites. How offensive! I totally agree. It SHOULD be offensive to the beneficiaries of affirmative action. I believe this has been the collective voice of conservative blacks, i.e., that they don't require handouts, that they CAN succeed on their own through individualism and commitment. I would be personally offended if I ever found out I received something I didn't work for just because of my race.

To: Mani1 who wrote (158357)	1/18/2003 10:13:54 AM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1575621

Limbaugh's take, from his website: My friends, an example of typical academic, elite liberalism was on parade during Thursday night's Hardball with Chris Matthews. The president of Bard College, Leon Botstein, had some comments pertaining to the whole affirmative action issue that you can hear in the audio link below. He said inner city black kids are “very poorly served” and added, “we gave extra help to the not very smart, not very ambitious, you know, children of the lily white for years.” Well I have some questions for Mr. Botstein. If a poor black student in the inner city is poorly served, I must ask, poorly served by whom? We should fix that first, rather than waiting to corrupt an institution of higher learning with a poorly served student who is corrupted by a system over which he has no control because his parents are forced to send him to a rotgut school. This kind of thinking is entirely strange to liberal elites, because they live off the disadvantaged. The disadvantaged are their gold mine. Corrupting the upper levels is what this is all about. The stupider you can keep them, the longer you can keep them, and the more you can implant your own warped ideas into these young skulls full of mush. Get it? If not, listen to the link below, it will sink in.

To: Mani1 who wrote (158357)	1/18/2003 12:46:03 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 1575621

RE:"I simply don't get the debate about affirmative action. Discrimination based on race is immoral. Affirmative action is a despicable act. The only definite fact about black or Hispanic students is their race, not their social circumstances. To say they are disadvantaged based on their race, is same as saying that they are genetically incapable of performing at the same level as whites. How offensive." Sounds like you "get" the debate to me. Jim

To: Mani1 who wrote (158357)	1/18/2003 6:32:53 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1575621

I simply don't get the debate about affirmative action. Discrimination based on race is immoral. Affirmative action is a despicable act. The only definite fact about black or Hispanic students is their race, not their social circumstances. To say they are disadvantaged based on their race, is same as saying that they are genetically incapable of performing at the same level as whites. How offensive! Mani, its interesting to see the people who agree with your take. And how easily they want to ignore American history. Nonetheless, if there had not been centuries of discrimination in this country, I would agree with your position. However, that's not the case, and your outrage doesn't change anything nor make anything better. In fact, your outrage is two hundred years to late. ted