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To: TobagoJack who wrote (27566)	1/19/2003 9:26:11 AM
From: Box-By-The-Riviera™	Respond to of 74559

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To: TobagoJack who wrote (27566)	1/19/2003 7:31:33 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<impact on environment, others had an interest in labor unions and women/children’s rights, all were committed to human rights>> I am not going to ask the nature of the US delegation you towed but I am betting you a case of Heineken that there were, among them, members of the AFL-CIO and other assorted unions' people among the visitors. Those are concerned with their cushy jobs and don't want people to compete with them. Pretty soon they want an OSHA in China and red tape all over the place. Of course they will tell that they are only concerned with the workers, but we know they just want to slow down the people that are exporting their way out of poverty. Back in the seventies, when Brazil weas growing real fast, AFL-CIO, the Swede and the German Unions were concerned about working conditions in Brazil and started visiting Brazil and inviting unions people to Sweden and Germany. Pretty soon the Brazilians -instead of working hard for their own interest-started work militancy. Lula, Brazil's president today was the leader of those (metal workers) working class people . As a result of the success of their militancy, auto-electrical-mechanical industry defected Sao Paulo -where it always been- and left for other places. Curitiba -where I hang my hat once in a while- has received: Nissan/Renault, Audi/VW and a couple of other auto factories plus a whole lot of car-parts makers, that gravitates around auto industry, running away from unionized workers. This emptied the metal workers grip on industry. They were left behind without jobs. Now the modern factories that are more productive than the old in Sao Paulo are spread across the country. The region where they were became a mini-rust belt. Luckily, they moved within Brazil. In other places they moved out the country. Just have a look to Europe. This type of people like this US delegation going there doesn't augur well for the Chinese. Tell the Chinese: BEWARE OF PEOPLE WITH INTENTIONS. Mainly if they carry bibles!!!

To: TobagoJack who wrote (27566)	1/19/2003 10:57:58 PM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Greensputin, nice name, I might borrow it yes, Americans not only need to learn more foreign languages, it is imperative that they learn about financial matters, of which they are absymally ignorant Economics Masters degree holders dont know much more than how to count $20 bills, with abject illiteracy prevalent even on many basic concepts I believe the upper echelons of foreign nationalists (including China) know more about USA, its economy, its horrendous faulty foundation, and its failed strong dollar policy whereby our wealth producing apparatus was shipped to Asia I just wonder when the cat will be out of the bag wrt China's accumulation of gold for Central Bank purposes I believe their gold-filled CB will become the biggest and most powerful economic builder in the recent modern times in 18-24 months, the YUAN will be forced higher from geopolitical pressures if not, then severe geop stresses man oh man, can China reap some huge political capital on this issue, just letting the YUAN rise 10% by end 2004, I hope to diversify into Chinese largecap stock funds hey ChugsMan, just checking in / jim p.s. I am no extreme expert on gold just a jackass struggling to get by