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To: JohnM who wrote (67074)1/19/2003 5:10:58 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Respond to of 281500
 
If that's the case, it makes sense to wait for "the world" to decide to do something about it.

Like we did in Bosnia and Rwanda?



To: JohnM who wrote (67074)1/19/2003 5:22:32 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Counterspin: Pro-war mythology

By Scott Burchill, lecturer in international relations at the School of Social & International Studies, Deakin University

January 14 2003

smh.com.au



To: JohnM who wrote (67074)1/19/2003 5:24:15 PM
From: skinowski  Respond to of 281500
 
What you say sounds reasonable, and in theory it is reasonable, but, unfortunately, in reality it won’t work. If the first Gulf war didn’t take place, the scenario described in my post would probably have happened. Iraq would not have the borders it has now. If President Bush wouldn’t have applied pressure on Hussein over he past year or so, there would be no inspectors - and no interference with the Iraqi weapons programs.

More irony… Paradoxically, if this were the case, and Saddam would become a Stalin of the Middle East, I think that people like Al Qaeda would have not been allowed to risk provoking a war with the West. We would probably still have our WTC. Please don’t insist on academically sound proof. It doesn’t and cannot exist. It's hypothetical... a matter of judgement, as it were.



To: JohnM who wrote (67074)1/19/2003 5:44:47 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Warmongering Without Representation

Where Are The Guardians Of Liberty In The New War?

By Tom Campbell
Published: Jan 17 2003
tompaine.com

[Tom Campbell served five terms in the House of Representatives and was a professor of law at Stanford University for 19 years. In 2000, along with more than 30 other members of Congress, he brought a lawsuit against President Bill Clinton for waging war over Kosovo without a congressional declaration.]

Editor's Note: This piece first appeared in the San Fransico Chronicle and is reprinted with permission.

No nation at war, including ours, can afford to grant the same civil liberties it grants in peacetime. Some curtailments, appropriate to the conditions of the war, may be permitted. Some rights, however, remain essential.

Congress is the branch of government empowered to trigger such suspension of rights as constitutionally may be suspended. But individual members of Congress of both parties have lacked the courage to do so. Instead, the president has defined which rights the government will suspend and for how long. A recent decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., has upheld the president's authority to send an American citizen to a military prison without conviction of any crime. The president's order set no release date.

The logic applied by the Bush administration is: We are at war because we were attacked. During war, enemy combatants (even American citizens) can be designated by the military, of which the president is commander-in-chief; they may be kept in prison until the war is over, without trial, hearing or access to an attorney. If they are imprisoned overseas, no U.S. court has jurisdiction even to hear the case. The Bush administration relies on two Supreme Court cases from the World War II era for these conclusions.

For America, World War II was over on the day when each treaty of peace with Japan, Germany and their allies was ratified by the U.S. Senate. In the war on terrorism, however, there will be no final day of war, no treaty to ratify. Until the last terrorist possibly related to the Sept. 11 attacks has been caught -- who knows, maybe 50 years from now -- the president's exceptional powers would apply.

The Constitution does, indeed, give the president the right to conduct a war. But the Constitution is a document of balanced powers. Congress is given the right to declare the war first. And, with an amazing degree of prescience, the Constitution also gives Congress the right to set rules about international crimes. When Congress declares war, or defines an international crime, there are consequences for civil liberties at home and abroad. What is critical, however, in preserving the balance of power, is that the president not be empowered to define those consequences all by himself -- with no termination date. Congress has that authority.

Did Congress, in fact, make any such determination? If, following Sept. 11, Congress had passed a standard declaration of war, maybe. Congress could be assumed to know what powers a wartime president would exercise, and to assume they would terminate when the Senate ratified a treaty of peace.

Congress could not have assumed any termination date, however, of the power granted in the resolution that actually passed on Sept. 18. That resolution granted the president authority to use "all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines" were involved in the attacks of Sept. 11. It didn't say anything about what civil liberties could be suspended at home. It provided no means to determine when the period of enhanced, warlike presidential powers would end. The very least requirement of so momentous a decision is that the decision be made explicitly.

Incarcerating Americans without trial is not the only vital civil liberty issue presented by America's war on terrorism. Others include denying foreigners in America the right to see the evidence on which they are arrested and deported. In the 2000 campaign, then-Gov. George W. Bush promised that this practice of the Clinton administration would end -- but Sept. 11 intervened. I fear there are many other civil liberty curtailments that will follow, under this same rubric. A federal court might rule that the president can do what he is doing, but not if Congress sets limits otherwise.

The silence from members of Congress, whose authority has been usurped, and who have ignored their own responsibility on behalf of our rights, is indefensible. Those who favor the president's prosecution of the war on terrorism, and a war on Iraq, should be the foremost to admit the consequences and vote for them. Largely, however, they do not even recognize the issue -- out of fear of being perceived as critical of the president.

Those who do not favor the way the president has pursued the war on terrorism, or who oppose a war on Iraq, are, largely, silent as well. They fear being branded soft on terrorism at the 2004 election.

What is missing is statesmen, for whom the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution comes before their re-election chances. America will lose its liberty, not by act of an aggressor nation, or an international criminal -- but because our elected representatives passively watched it happen.



To: JohnM who wrote (67074)1/19/2003 6:50:50 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
~OT~...Powell Backs U. of M. Affirmative Action

43 minutes ago
1/19/03
By SCOTT LINDLAW

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday he disagrees with President Bush's position on an affirmative action case before the Supreme Court, as the White House called for more money for historically black colleges.

Powell, one of two black members of Bush's Cabinet, said he supports methods the University of Michigan uses to bolster minority enrollments in its undergraduate and law school programs. The policies offer points to minority applicants and set goals for minority admissions.

"Whereas I have expressed my support for the policies used by the University of Michigan, the president, in looking at it, came to the conclusion that it was constitutionally flawed based on the legal advice he received," Powell said on the CBS program "Face the Nation."

It was a rare public acknowledgment of dissent with the president and with other top White House aides.

National security adviser Condoleezza Rice said she backed Bush's decision to step into the case before the Supreme Court and to argue that the University of Michigan's methods were unconstitutional. She said on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday that there are "problems" with the university's selection policies, and cited the points system.

But she also said race can be a factor in colleges' selection process. The brief the Bush administration filed with the Supreme Court was silent on that issue of whether race can be a factor under some circumstances.

"It is important to take race into consideration if you must, if race-neutral means do not work," she said.

Rice said she had benefited from affirmative action during her career at Stanford University.

"I think they saw a person that they thought had potential, and yes, I think they were looking to diversify the faculty," she said.

"I think there's nothing wrong with that in the United States," Rice said. "It does not mean that one has to go to people of lower quality. Race is a factor in our society."

In a speech to the Republican National Convention in 2000, Powell sharply criticized GOP attacks on affirmative action.

"We must understand the cynicism that exists in the black community," he said. "The kind of cynicism that is created when, for example, some in our party miss no opportunity to roundly and loudly condemn affirmative action that helped a few thousand black kids get an education, but you hardly heard a whimper from them over affirmative action for lobbyists who load our federal tax codes with preferences for special interests."

Sunday on CNN, Powell said he remained "a strong proponent of affirmative action."

Education Secretary Rod Paige is the other black member of Bush's Cabinet.

Paige firmly agrees with Bush's stance, a spokesman said Sunday.

"Secretary Paige believes in equal opportunity for all students and he fully supports President Bush's position on the University of Michigan case," said spokesman Dan Langan. He wasn't sure whether Paige agreed with Rice that race can sometimes be a factor in university admissions.

In an unusual Sunday night announcement, the White House said Bush's budget proposal for the upcoming fiscal year would increase funding by 5 percent for grants to historically black colleges, universities, graduate programs and Hispanic education institutions.

The money affects three programs.

The Historically Black Colleges and Universities program makes grants to 99 eligible institutions to help strengthen infrastructure and achieve greater financial stability.

The Historically Black Graduate Institutions program makes 5-year grants to 18 institutions to expand capacity for providing graduate-level education.

The Hispanic-Serving Institutions program makes grants of up to five years to eligible institutions — those with a full-time population of at least 25 percent Hispanic students, at least 50 percent of which are low-income.

In its brief to the Supreme Court, the administration argued that policies at the University of Michigan and its law school fail the constitutional test of equal protection for all under the law, and ignore race-neutral alternatives that could boost minority presence on campuses.

A White House spokesman declined to say Sunday night why the black and Hispanic grant programs are acceptable, when the University of Michigan admission system is not.

Bush, who drew 9 percent of the black vote in 2000, was attending a predominantly black church on the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday Monday.

story.news.yahoo.com