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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (2542)	1/20/2003 3:32:49 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 25898

Lazarus, Re: And you know this how? cooperativeresearch.org September 11, 2001 (Z): The Carlyle Group is a company closely associated with officials of the Bush and Reagan administrations, and has considerable ties to Saudi oil money, including ties to the bin Laden family (see September 27, 2001)http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/AAsaudi.html#a092701carlyle Those ties are well illustrated by the fact that on this day the Carlyle Group is hosting a conference at a Washington hotel. Among the guests of honor is investor Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama. [Observer, 6/16/02] observer.co.uk September 13-19, 2001: Members of bin Laden's family and important Saudis are "driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret assembly point in Texas and then to Washington from where they left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks." The flights to Texas and Washington occur before the national air ban is lifted. [New York Times, 9/30/01] nytimes.com The Tampa Tribune reports that on September 13, Lear jet takes off from Tampa, Florida, carrying a Saudi Arabian prince, the son of the Saudi defense minister Prince Sultan (see August 2001 (G), file:///C\|/My%20Documents/allan/911/ZIP%20FILES%20from%20derek%20112902/updates/0801G August 31, 2001, cooperativeresearch.org August 15, 2002), cooperativeresearch.org as well as the son of a Saudi army commander, and flies to Lexington, Kentucky, where the Saudis own racehorses. They then fly a private 747 out of the country. Multiple 747s with Arabic lettering on their sides are already there, suggesting another secret assembly point. The Tampa flight left from a private Raytheon hangar [Tampa Tribune, 10/5/01] file:///C\|/My%20Documents/allan/911/ZIP%20FILES%20from%20derek%20112902/updates/2001/tampatribune100501.html (Raytheon's name keeps coming up in relation to 9/11 (for instance, see September 25, 2001)). cooperativeresearch.org Prince Bandar, Saudi ambassador to the US, helps move the bin Laden family out of the US. [London Times, 11/25/02] timesonline.co.uk There have been conflicting reports as to whether the FBI interviewed these people before they left the country. Osama bin Laden's half brother, Abdullah bin Laden, stated that even a month after 9/11 his only contact with the FBI was a brief phone call. [Boston Globe, 9/21/01, web.archive.org New Yorker, 11/5/01] newyorker.com An earlier FBI attempt to investigate Abdullah was obstructed by higher-ups (see 1996). cooperativeresearch.org The existence of these flights during the air travel ban is now usually referred to as an urban legend. [Snopes, 3/19/02 snopes.com

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (2542)	1/20/2003 7:52:20 PM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 25898

Lazarus, I think Ray proved the bin Ladens were flying around the US during the air ban in the aftermath of 9/11. What do you think about that?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (2542)	1/20/2003 11:24:23 PM
From: TigerPaw	Respond to of 25898

Mama loves you when nobody else will. cnn.com Since then, the bin Laden family has agonized over whether to publicly denounce Osama's activities. Sheikh Ahmad said he and his mother last saw bin Laden at the January 2001 wedding of one of Osama's sons in Afghanistan. It was at that wedding that Sheikh Ahmad said his infamous brother told him that stories he required kidney dialysis were not true. "He loved his family and friends, gatherings. He especially adores his mother. First comes God, then his mother," Sheikh Ahmad said. TP