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To: TigerPaw who wrote (158544)	1/20/2003 6:10:09 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578921

There doesn't seem to be anything in these plans to force asians to be respresented in smaller percentages than they are found in the population. If the NBA only allowed 15% of its players to be black (a higher percentage their their % of the population) would not talented black basketball players be screwed over? Someone being screwed over is an individual thing. The percentage of the rest of the group that are his or her skin color doesn't matter. If you deny him a job or position at a school based on his race then you are unjustly discriminating against him. Tim

To: TigerPaw who wrote (158544)	1/20/2003 6:29:10 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578921

TP, <What is your definition of screwed over?> Working harder and achieving more only to be rejected because the quota for Asian representation has been exceeded. I already told Ted how Asian enrollment in California schools have soared after affirmative action was eliminated (Proposition 209). This despite Asians suffering under racial bias and cultural barriers (an argument many Asians use FOR supporting A.A. for Asians, despite the dilemma it poses). Tenchusatsu

To: TigerPaw who wrote (158544)	1/20/2003 6:39:36 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1578921

TP, this author puts it best: edge.org At the end of the day, one perceives a consensus that the sheer presence of minority faces at Berkeley outweighs all other considerations by a wide margin, and that as long as there is some cut-off point in scores and GPA below which even minorities are not admitted, all talk of merit or excellence is, at worst, racist, or at best — and it is this which I find most alarming — utterly unimportant. (emphasis added by me) I too find it alarming that talk of merit or excellence is considered unimportant or at least subordinate to the goal of "proportional representation." The "proxy" that you advocate has now become the goal, and not even a stepping stone as most A.A. advocates claim. Tenchusatsu