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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (67431)	1/21/2003 1:32:17 PM
From: paul_philp	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

That would be a reasonable view to take I would very much like a debate about how best to protect American interests. I would enjoy a debate about the nature of American interests. My support of the Bush administration is contigent on my belief that they have a new and broader understanding of American interest. I am not naive enough to think that this is universally held or thoroughly thought through. A debate that revealed peoples understand of American interest would also highlight some of the different agendas on those who oppose the war. Let's see if we cannot move the debate in that direction. The debate about the marchers is self-defeating. Paul

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (67431)	1/21/2003 1:57:01 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

That would be a reasonable view to take - but I didn't hear any of the speakers at Saturday's demonstrations take it. They opposed an evil war for oil and capitalism. I didn't hear anybody say, this war will harm America's interests. Did you? Every speaker I heard was not on the same side of any interests that included the government or the present administration. I fail to see why it's important that protestors against the policies of this administration should appear "reasonable" to passionate supporters of the Bushies. In fact, one would have every reason to be suspicious of a demonstration if it were. I can't imagine riding in a bus from the interior of Maine to Washington DC last weekend just to have a "reasonable" debate with Bush folk. I would be there to say something like, damnit stop. Now. Today. Yesterday. Just stop. One of the dilemmas of these demonstrations is, unfortunately, that's all you get media time for. You can't explain, carefully, the nuances. You must hook into the oneliners. So it's simply the nature of the beast to appear to be unreasonable to admin supporters. Gonna stop this hacking away about the marchers and their motives. On to something else.