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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (67719)	1/22/2003 1:31:57 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"To get what's best for me, I have to think less about what is good for my country and more what is good for everyone on earth" Are you willing to sacrifice your material well being in this pursuit? Or our democratic institutions? What are you willing to give up to better the world? If the answer is nothing or i dont feel i would have to give up anything, you are living in a dream world. This is why the EU keeps some countries out. One day nations will fade away but that will be in a time of abundance and freedom, not today. If we give up national concerns we will all sink to the lowest common denominator and be led by maniacs like bin laden, cynics like the french or the folks who ran the demonstrations last weekend. mike

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (67719)	1/22/2003 2:01:46 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Mq: My altruism springs from the belief that if the US fails to defend democracy then my visions and dreams of a bright future for Americans.....including my children......die. All I know is that I have achieved my dreams so far, and I must first give thanks to the brave men and women who lived and died for an idea. Without their vision I wouldn't be here. Every American owes them the deepest measure of gratitude. My hope is that every citizen on earth eventually be given the opportunities that you and I take for granted. I find it totally amazing, and rather unacceptable that the people of the ME live in such poverty considering the wealth of resources in the region. That their so called "leaders" deny them such basic modern amenities as running water and electricity is inhumane IMO. Resource grabs have been taking place ever since the first cavemen killed another caveman for a deer. They could almost be considered natural. I think I will let others pontificate on that subject. I certainly don't know how you prevent greed, desire and need from preventing such aggression? You are right when you say: Until the rules are changed, it's going to be a dog eat dog world with Chirac snarling at King George II, Hu barking at Taiwan, North Korea facing down South Korea, Saddam the Rottweiler biting anyone who looks worth biting with rabid Osama biting anyone who moves, or doesn't. It's a simple matter of agreeing on what the rules should be that messes up the whole thing. Until everyone agrees that the fairness of democracy should be the frame work for a beginning, these messes will just keep popping up. ;) M