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To: Lane3 who wrote (3987)	1/22/2003 4:58:47 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 7720

I pretty much agree with everything in that last post. I would just point out that many suicides or suicide attempts are not people who have been suffering for years and have no reasonable way out, they are not all hopeless cases who have carefully decided that they no longer want to endure suffering that can not otherwise be ended. Tim

To: Lane3 who wrote (3987)	1/22/2003 5:02:30 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 7720

Tim, I'm not defending suicide as a reasonable act for a teenager who got his heart broken. Not reasonable, no. But does the teenager have the right to do it? Or, put the other way, does the government have the right to intercede and prevent the teenager from doing it if the teenager decides to? Well, let's make it not a teenager below the age of consent, but a legal adult, 18 years old, entitled to most of the privileges of adulthood, such as serving in the military (but still can't drink, and can't run for President), Does this broken hearted 18 year old have the right to commit suicide if they feel their life is no longer worth living? And if not, then you have to set up some government process to separate the broken hearted 18 year old from the terminally ill pain-filled person, and decide which one has permission to commit suicide and which one doesn't, and then suicide isn't a right but a government granted privilege, which is quite contrary to my belief, and what I thought was your belief.

To: Lane3 who wrote (3987)	1/22/2003 7:34:00 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

<< Or the jerk who wants to make his X suffer so he blows his brains out in her living room. >> I would take exception to this, except if the guy was Gustave Jaeger. OTOH, even if suicide is illegal, the guy who does this would probably get a good lawyer and beat the charge. << I can sympathize with someone who has been unable to move or to find relief from pain for years and years and has thoughtfully decided to hang it up. >> If you mean both physical and/or mental pain, I'll agree with you.