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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: James Calladine who wrote (14703)1/23/2003 8:26:29 AM
From: Bill Fischofer  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
Do you have a pointer to the online edition? It would be worth reading a chapter or two this way before deciding to sign up for a 1000+ page read.

Since the deepest message of spirituality can be summed up in only four words (We Are All One) I'm constantly amazed at how much "elaboration" of that message some feel is needed. <g>



To: James Calladine who wrote (14703)1/24/2003 1:42:04 AM
From: Solon  Respond to of 28931
 
"But such beings DO exist. But like most others of fundamentally criminal intent, they like to operate in a relatively behind the scenes way if possible"

Well, that is my point. Powers such as witnessed by your friend are relatively easy to conduct "behind the scenes". You say that they are of "fundamentally criminal intent" so why don't we hear on a daily basis about fundamentally criminal activities occurring such as girls being raped (all by the same guy in separate locations around the world at the same time) when he came into their room and left in some instantaneous fashion...even though the papers would find that he died last week. What benefit is it to one of criminal intent or evil to forego using their powers to satisfy their fundamentally criminal nature??

I read chapter one of your link; I then searched through all other chapters for the word "evil", thinking that I could thereby discover some useful answers to my concerns. I did find rather interesting claims, but no commentary that weighed specifically on the questions I asked you. Here is an example of some of the interesting powers at the service of people with criminal intent:

"These people require for their sorcery, charms and fascination, certain phases of the moon or seasons of the year, caves or mountains, forests or groves, fires, sounding of instruments, chanting, dancing, blood-letting, incense and symbols, which have a magic power.

In every case the phenomena are produced by mysterious powers, that is, an unusual development of feeling and desire, and a manipulation of the breath by feeling and desire. In some cases feeling and desire, in addition, compel the four senses to obey them, thereby reversing the usual relation, which is a control of feeling and desire by these senses. In some cases feeling and desire and the breath, working through these senses or some of them, control elementals and through them parts of the elements. In almost every case thinking is necessary and it also is controlled by feeling and desire. Certain organs of the body and symbols are also used. So are produced such phenomena as eating coals of fire from a burning stick, walking through flames or over red hot coals, making people see living pictures of persons and scenes, rising or

floating in the air, traveling through it
, producing without instruments sounds in the air, ringing astral bells, transporting huge stones through the air and precipitating flowers, letters, pictures, food and other objects out of it. So, too, are performed walking on water, precipitating rain, locating springs, increasing or decreasing a quantity of water in a vessel. Making the earth to undulate, causing a landslide, making precious stones, transmuting lower metals into gold, making plants grow rapidly to giant size, or dwarfing trees like pines to the size of mushrooms, and passing one solid object through another, are done in the same manner. And so also men are enabled to slash the flesh and pierce the bones of their own bodies or those of others, without pain and without leaving an injury; to be entombed or buried in the ground, to become as a wolf or a tiger, to reanimate a dead form, to take possession of another's body and operate it, to summon elementals and compel them to render service, to have them as familiars, messengers, reporters and as guards, to cast evil spells over people or places and to bring back the dead by necromancy.
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To: James Calladine who wrote (14703)2/4/2003 4:59:24 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
"But such beings DO exist. But like most others of fundamentally criminal intent, they like to operate in a relatively behind the scenes way if possible"

In Egypt they operated in the open on behalf of the living representative of God. But even though they tried to do good, they lost their magical powers over the centuries. I wonder if the Egyptian plagues may shed any light on the many questions which magical powers suggest?

As you remember, both Moses and Aaron as well as the magicians of Egypt were doing magical (and very unpleasant) tricks for God. The Pharaoh was the living representative of God on Earth--and Moses an intermediary for God.

They both did very similar magical tricks. Moses turned all the water in Egypt into blood at the behest of God. The Egyptian magicians duplicated this feat. Moses then sent frogs all through Egypt. The Egyptians also sent frogs all through Egypt--for God, through the Pharaoh.

Next Moses sent Lice to infest the Egyptian people. This must have been very uncomfortable for everyone. At this point the Egyptians were unable to duplicate the magic.

Next, the plague of flies

Plague five was intended to kill the cows

Plague six was boils

Plague seven was a hailstorm

Plague eight was locusts

Plague nine was a terrible sandstorm

Plague 10 was genocide of all first born. Some of these first born were grandfathers and grandmothers as well as husbands and wives, fathers and mothers. Others were young innocents, uncontaminated by the intrigues and passions of the world--tiny children with the innocent love and trust of those unsullied by betrayal and evil. Of course, all the firstborn of the livestock and pets were also killed in order to demonstrate the incredible power that God had. The Pharaoh was unable to relent as God had forcibly hardened his heart to prevent him from relenting and thereby destroying his demonstration of egoic power in any way.

So how is one to consider these displays of magical powers such as you have alluded to as being divided between the white and the dark, the good and the bad? The Egyptian magicians were working on behalf of the earthly representative of God--the Pharaoh--yet they are often considered to be bad. Why is that? Also, it appears that their power was not much less than that of Moses acting through God. This does not support an hypothesis that there is something intrinsic which significantly impacts the magical abilities of those judged to be "bad".

If things work out I might develop magical powers some day. I would hope to avoid any intention or act which would (through an unknown mechanism) dilute these abilities. However, how does one take prophylactic measures against such an eventuality? The Egyptian magicians believed they were honouring God to the very best of their abilities, yet the desert magic has obviously been lost. I wonder if Adi Da has any idea how to keep magical powers from dissipating?