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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (27776)	1/25/2003 2:57:12 AM
From: abuelita	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

thanks ray- they call it "collateral damage" right? g'nite, rose

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (27776)	1/25/2003 4:21:22 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

It did seem to me that they were smart alecks who were wanting to cut loose from the boring control from HQ and show off how hot they are. When one is supercool, being on the end of a leash must not be as pleasant as being free as a bird. Also, being at the sharp end, with delays in approval to defend oneself, could be quite annoying. Another time, some Kiwi SAS troops in Kuwait were killed by similar 'friendly fire'. They seem to have a lot of accidents for being so supercool. But you shouldn't expect other than a wet bus ticket tap on the wrist - these are team members and almost anything can be forgiven. Heck, even Lt William Caley didn't get a Nuremberg-style "Crimes Against Humanity" war crimes trial and execution by hanging by the neck until dead. At least the Nazis killed Jews and other undesirables in an orderly fashion, writing down their names and keeping good records. I suppose he was using terrorism [or the military euphemism] to stop attacks on US soldiers, showing what would happen to any village which offered any resistance, or appearance of it, or maybe even merely suspicion of it. I think Caley was confined to barracks for a while. Mqurice

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (27776)	1/25/2003 8:20:32 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Ray, please don't pollute the English language with misuse of words. <These guys violated their rules of engagement and murdered four innocent Canadians. > They definitely did not murder the Canadians. Murder implies intent. They killed the four Canadians. They didn't murder them. In NZ and some other countries, there are defamation laws to protect people against libel and slander. Our prime minister, Helen Clark, was sued for calling somebody a murderer. When he objected [via the media] she corrected herself and said that if he preferred, she would call him a manslaughterer. Too late, she was prosecuted and found guilty of defamation. He had been convicted of manslaughter because he carelessly or somehow or other [I forget the details] was involved in the poisoning death of somebody at his house. He didn't intend the death as far as I know. So, those pilots could sue you for libel [in some countries anyway and these days, reputations are in cyberspace, so defamation is becoming problematic across judicial borders]. Mqurice PS: Google's great: <A West Auckland actor is suing the Prime Minister for defamation. John Yelash has filed papers in the High Court at Auckland seeking $250,000 in damages after Prime Minister Helen Clark referred to him as a murderer. The alleged slander happened last August during the controversy surrounding former Maori Affairs Minister Dover Samuels. Mr Yelash says he was approached by MP Chris Carter to obtain information about Mr Samuels. Confusion later arose about who had phoned whom first, with Miss Clark saying she preferred to take Mr Carter's word, over that of a 'murderer'. When Mr Yelash pointed out that he had been convicted of manslaughter in 1979, Miss Clark said if he preferred that she call him a 'manslaughterer', then she would.> nz.com Background and detail here: nznews.net.nz I'm omniscient, thanks to Google. It is me and I am It type symbiosis looming. It beats gold Jay.