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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (347960)	1/26/2003 2:55:03 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

And it has been pointed out that had the 13 states the formed the United States knew that joining was a one way street, none would have ratified the Constitution. Lazarus, you really know your Civil War history. It is a shame that so many good Americans have grown up exposed only to the pap in their history textbooks. I have a quote from one of the post-war Supreme Court justices advising the Feds not to prosecute Confederate officers and officials as war criminals, since they were within their Constitutional rights to secede and any trial against them would reflect poorly on the Union. I have the link at work but will try to hunt it down. BTW, I believe, though I haven't seen it yet, that the current movie Gangs of New York deals with the draft riot you described.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (347960)	1/26/2003 8:51:17 AM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Either way you look at it, Lincoln both abolished slavery and saved the union. And went down in history as the greatest American president.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (347960)	1/26/2003 3:11:41 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

No one forgot to tell Lincoln anything. The fact is, Lincoln himself said the war was about slavery. But he was not interested in fighting FOR the end of slavery. He was certainly interested in saving the Union. He was not convinced to end slavery. He had always been against it since a young man. He simply wished to end it slowly - by hindering its expansion. But he was always of the opinion that 'this nation cannot survive as two: one slave, one free.' As for the Northern riots, you must remember that anti-slavery Republican Party was brand new. That meant that the North was heavily populated by Democrats, very many of whom sympathized with the South. Whether the 13 states would have formed Union had they known they could not break it is moot. It is no argument against secession because Article I section X of the Union document, the Constitution, clearly states no state can form alliance with another. And since the Constitution was then and is now a legal contract, requiring ratification of parties to be formed, it requires proper ratification to be broken. That is the nature of contracts.