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To: zonder who wrote (2920)1/28/2003 2:26:00 PM
From: E. T.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15987
 
"they should be ashamed letting a genocide take place in their midst."

Just as Europeans, for the most part, were slow to move against the Serbs, I feel it is the same mindset that prevents them from moving on Saddam. Oh yes, I read that it was about 20,000 tons of biological and chemical weapons that are unnaccounted for in Iraq, (that previous inspectors had verified the existance of) and that European leaders are fully aware that Saddam has these materials but choose to play the part of an ostrich.



To: zonder who wrote (2920)1/29/2003 5:45:00 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 15987
 
Nos Amis the French

"Blix: Iraq Has Not Accepted Disarmament"--headline, Associated Press, Jan. 27

"Blix Gives Sharp Critique of Iraq Arms Disclosure"--headline, Reuters, Jan. 27

"Iraq Largely Cooperating With Inspectors, UN Security Council Hears"--headline, Agence France-Presse, Jan. 28



To: zonder who wrote (2920)1/29/2003 5:46:56 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 15987
 
washingtonpost.com
Here Comes the New Europe

By Anne Applebaum

Wednesday, January 29, 2003; Page A21

The French finance minister was "profoundly vexed." The German foreign minister called on everyone to "cool down." When asked, the French environment minister said, "If you knew what I felt like telling Mr. Rumsfeld . . ." but refused to go on, saying that the words she wished to use were too offensive. "Old Europe Kicks Back" is how the headline in the French newspaper Liberation summed up the reaction to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's comments about European support for U.S. policy in Iraq. "You're thinking of Europe as Germany and France," he told reporters last week. "I don't. I think that's old Europe."

Old Europe. If Rumsfeld had been deliberately searching for a way to simultaneously irritate the leadership of Europe's two largest countries, expose their deepest national insecurities and undermine the entire European Union political project, which has long revolved around a "Franco-German axis," he couldn't have found a better way to put it. He was also, as it happens, correct, possibly more correct than he knows. Although all concerned vociferously deny it, Europe is indeed beginning to divide -- slowly, unevenly but perceptibly -- into two very distinct camps.

Certainly this is true where European attitudes on Iraq are concerned. On the one hand, France and Germany, both now on the Security Council, want to let the U.N. weapons inspections continue, seemingly indefinitely, seemingly regardless of how much Iraq does or does not cooperate. On the other hand, Britain and Spain -- also on the Security Council this year -- are just about as fed up with the whole thing as Rumsfeld. The Spanish government has already offered to let the United States use its bases in case of war. The British have offered to send more than 30,000 troops, an enormous proportion of the British army.

Add the Italians (who are offering airspace), the Danes (who are offering military support) and Eastern Europe (the Poles and Czechs have agreed to provide material support; the Hungarians have let Iraqi opposition groups train on their territory) and a clearer definition of "New Europe" begins to emerge. Britain, Italy, Spain, Poland, Hungary, Denmark, the Czech Republic: Perhaps not coincidentally, these are all countries that have recently undergone (or are undergoing) economic liberalization, privatization and labor-market reforms that have brought their economies at least marginally closer to ours. These are also countries that have, over the years, felt resentful of French and especially German domination of the European continent.

It's hardly surprising that this group of countries should feel broadly more sympathetic to the United States -- the only power large enough to balance Germany -- or that they should reveal their sympathy in ways other than support for U.S. policy in Iraq. Just last week, Spain arrested 16 suspected members of al Qaeda. Italian police rounded up five others, while a further seven were arrested in London. French and German police have helped too, but the attitude of their politicians isn't always so helpful. At one point, Germany's justice minister actually refused to hand over evidence incriminating Zacarias Moussaoui, the al Qaeda operative, on the grounds that it might be used to invoke the death penalty in his case.

But perhaps it isn't surprising that Germany and France have chosen this particular historical moment to demonstrate their unity either. In 1952, when the precursor to the European Union contained six countries, Germany and France did indeed dominate European politics. By 2004, when the latest round of enlargement is complete, the EU will contain 25 countries. Eastern European members will jointly have more delegates to the European Parliament than Germany. Britain, Spain, Italy and Poland will easily outvote Germany and France in the weighted voting system of the European Council. Sometimes, strident language is a sign of waning influence, not growing strength.

I don't want to exaggerate the depth of the differences or overplay the unity of the "New Europe." British opinion polls are indeed running soundly against the war in Iraq. Much of the Italian and Spanish media are profoundly anti-American. For that matter, support for American policy in Iraq might be found in France and Germany if the Bush administration, Rumsfeld included, cared enough to promote it. Nevertheless, differences remain -- so when foreign reactions to the president's State of the Union speech are quoted today, do find out which countries are speaking in the name of "Europe" before drawing conclusions.



To: zonder who wrote (2920)1/29/2003 5:50:19 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15987
 
I doubt if they are dropping these people off in Monaco, Zonder. But they are waking up to the fact that they have to stop the influx.

EU starts 'navy' to stop influx from Africa
Isambard Wilkinson
LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH

Published January 29, 2003

MADRID ? The European Union yesterday launched its own "navy" to patrol the southern shores of Europe and head off the flotillas that ship illegal immigrants from North Africa.
The scheme, called Operation Ulysses, involves five European nations, including Britain, which will contribute a customs cutter, Seeke. The flotilla is viewed as the first step toward a common EU border guard.
The quasi-military fleet is one of a host of measures being sought by countries such as Spain and Italy, which have complained of bearing the bulk of the costs of policing EU borders.
It is made up of naval vessels such as those belonging to Spain's militarized Guardia Civil. Italy, France and Portugal have each sent a vessel to join the fleet, each carrying about 30 sailors.
Altogether seven vessels will now be on patrol in the Mediterranean with the aim of stopping the wave of mafia-operated boats that ply the coasts.
The European Union says it is also seeking to reduce the death toll of immigrants, up to 10,000 of whom have died making the crossing in the past decade.
"We are surely seeing the birth of a common police force for the European Union to protect our borders. If we have enough success and co-ordination, this can be the base, the pillar of a future border police," said Spanish Interior Minister Angel Acebes.
Operation Ulysses is based in Algeciras, on the Strait of Gibraltar, just a few miles from the coast of Africa.
In two weeks, the vessels will also operate on the Atlantic seaboard, as in recent years the main route for sub-Saharan Africans wanting to enter Europe has shifted to Spain's Canary Islands, off the northwest coast of the western Sahara.
The patrols will form a "rectangular filter" of 6 nautical miles wide and up to 84 miles long depending on the number of vessels involved at any one time. Any boat within that rectangle can be detected.
The scheme will complement the EU-funded cordon of security towers that are being erected along Spain's coast.
A spokesman for Britain's Customs and Excise Department said the British cutter Seeke had a crew of 12 and would be based in Algeciras, from where it will first set off on a return voyage to Palermo, skirting the coast of Africa. The crew will be mainly involved in "observation and reporting."
The Strait of Gibraltar will now be one of the world's most closely watched stretches of water. In recent weeks, NATO countries such as Britain and the United States have stepped up security measures in response to a warning of an al Qaeda attack on shipping.
Six al Qaeda suspects are on trial in Morocco on charges of planning to blow up U.S. and British shipping in the strait.
Britain has recently deployed two fast-patrol vessels to Gibraltar, where it is stepping up preparations to supply and fuel naval vessels heading to the Persian Gulf region.