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To: jcky who wrote (70967)	2/2/2003 12:02:53 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

So when I see this current Bush administration trying to mingle Government with God, this just scares the beejesus out of me. Great post. We are certainly on the same page.

To: jcky who wrote (70967)	2/2/2003 1:05:36 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>>So when I see this current Bush administration trying to mingle Government with God, this just scares the beejesus out of me.<< Not sure what is meant by mingling government with God. Do you mean that Bush mentions God when he gives speeches? An incredibly high number of Americans believe in God. I thought it was about 80%, but this site says 95%. Having grown up in the Deep South, where it is not uncommon to mention God in day-to-day discourse, I don't mind Bush mentioning God in his speeches, although it's not something most politicians do as far as I can tell. thelutheran.org If you mean the Faith-Based Initiatives, I see no reason for charitable organizations be excluded from government grants, as long as the charity is provided without proselytization. But if you want to have the beejesus (by which I assume you mean Jesus) scared out of you, it's a free country and all that.

To: jcky who wrote (70967)	2/2/2003 1:26:25 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

Christian fundamentalism, Islamic fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, and Hindu fundamentalism are all the same flavor of nut but with a different package. This is a "Bushel Basket" comparison that some people use, and I don't buy it. All four of these Religions have a violent past. Two of them have had it beaten out of them, and you are not going to see the Baptists or the Orthodox Jews engage in the kind of behavior that we see on a regular basis in India and Muslim countries.

To: jcky who wrote (70967)	2/2/2003 5:30:06 PM
From: FaultLine	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

So when I see this current Bush administration trying to mingle Government with God, this just scares the beejesus out of me. When the President said: "Our fourth goal is to apply the compassion of America to the deepest problems of America. For so many in our country -- the homeless and the fatherless, the addicted -- the need is great. Yet there's power, wonder-working power, in the goodness and idealism and faith of the American people. " my wife about came out of her seat. She said, "That's a line straight out of my Baptist upbringing and she began singing: THERE IS POWER IN THE BLOOD Would you be free from the burden of sin? There's power in the blood, power in the blood; Would you over evil a victory win? There's wonderful power in the blood. There is power, power, wonder working power In the blood of the Lamb; There is power, power, wonder working power In the precious blood of the Lamb." She continued, "Is he talking in code to the 'true believers'?" I indicated that every tiny phrase is crafted in an address of this importance so, it's possible... --fl@codetalkers.com

To: jcky who wrote (70967)	2/3/2003 4:02:53 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

res- There are many reasons why our form of governance has survived and prospered. I suspect secularism is one of the many reasons. So when I see this current Bush administration trying to mingle Government with God, this just scares the beejesus out of me. A false assumption is that religious conservatism, by its very nature, is scary. They "scare me" has become the vogue phrase used to broadly paint those of strong faith in a poor light. The use of this term suggests that Americans with strong religious convictions should not be trusted. And that anyone who seriously contemplates God, or good and evil in the context of public policy is close to becoming a dangerous zealot. This ignores the good that has been created by those devoted to a religion. Someone with passionate religious convictions began most of the largest charitable organization in the world which direct help people, the American Red Cross, Catholic Charities, and Goodwill Industries to name a few. The founders faith, gave them the strength to overcome adversity and help so many. In human history, the most savage conquerors performed their acts with little reference to religion. Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Attila The Hun, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Tito, Kim Il-sun, and Nicholas II. None of these rulers made serious attempts to impose faith on their victims. Lust for power is what drove them. Lust for power is still the driving force of most conflicts today. If one is too fear someone, it should be those who lust for power and seek to subvert democracy, because, that's the foundation upon which evil rulers build their monstrous machines of death.

To: jcky who wrote (70967)	2/3/2003 4:13:43 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Your assertion that "Chrisitian fundamentalism, Islamic fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, and Hindu fundamentalism are all the same flavor of nut but with a different package." shows extreme ignorance of all. There is a large sect of Islamic fundamentalism that rants about killing infidels. I have seen none of that in Jewish or Christian fundamentalism. I have little knowledge of Hindu. But any used car salesman can use any religion to slickly suggest anything. So many in this world have the extreme ignorance of all religious fundamentalism and are thus swayable by a used car salesman.