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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: MSI who wrote (5140)	2/4/2003 12:25:05 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

When you talk about "foreign passports" I presume you are talking about foreign citizenship or dual citizenship. If not then you need to explain just what the holy f*** you are talking about. I did answer that question in my first sentence when I said I had no problem with banning such people from government employ at all. [That edit feature is useful - kept me from giving you guys a tool to get me kicked off here.] After thinking about it a little, I have decided that may be a little extreme. After all, an awful lot of the people who worked on our atomic weapons program back in the '40's were recently arrived refugees. It may be that many of them had not attained American citizenship which is usually not an overnight process. Some of them actually might have had citizenship in countries which we were at war with. Nevertheless they held positions that were of vital importance to the country. So I'd say we should restrict all high level jobs to American citizens but somewhere along the line we should allow government agencies to hire whomever they want. I'm not sure at what level the line should be drawn. I also think loyalty oaths for high level positions is probably a good idea. They would accomplish what you seem to be concerned with. This isn't irrelevant at all. Oh yes, I would really would like to ban subversives like Marxists from government jobs including teaching (at all levels). These are your ultimate disloyal people. Why allow them to receive government funds to spread anti-American subversive views? Apparently you are saying we shouldn't even ask that question, but instead should get distracted to other irrelevencies. It is certainly not libelous to ask a question of "which country do you hold a passport and swear loyalty to?" I have no problem with asking the question. What I do find despicable is making accusations in the absence of any evidence - which you admitted in your next to last post on this issue. Here is where you made accusations against several specific individuals (at least one of whom isn't even in the employ of the US government - I think): Message 18518731 Whenever the following appear on the tube or in print, the fact of their citizenship needs to appear next to them, like the warning signs on cigarette packs: "THE VIEWS OF THIS PERSON COULD BE HAZARDOUS TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY SINCE THEY REPORT TO THE GOV'T OF ISRAEL" * Donald Feith * David Kay (U.N. Weapons Inspector and TV Talking Head) * Paul Wolfowitz * Richard Perle * Eliot Abrams * Rep. Tom Lantos Then in this post you admitted you have no idea whether your earlier accusation was accurate: Message 18528402 t is a question: do any of these people or anyone else in these positions, as others have claimed, hold non-American passports? If it is true, .. First you make an accusation. Then you say we need to ask the questions. You have it backwards. I'm not at all concerned with whether or not our nations foreign policy is being made by foreigners. Because I know who is making our policy - George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condi Rice. Fine upstanding unimpeachable American citizens, each of them. You seem to think these individuals are just puppets on the ZOG string, apparently. That's a view that some hold - kooks and you know what kind. Lastly, I don't believe for a minute that any of the people you libeled are holders of dual citizenship. The two most prominent of your targets are Perle and Wolfowitz. They're both neo-conservatives. Both worked in the Reagan/Bush administrations. Before that in the 1970's one worked for Dem. Sen. Scoop Jackson and the other one in the Ford administration defense department. Both are hawks - currently on Iraq and formerly on the Soviet Union and arms control issues. What are the grounds to think these guys are foreign citizens? None as far as I can see. It looks like a case where since you can't win on the issues, you turn to personal attacks and libel. I repeat, your tactics are despicable.