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To: Win Smith who wrote (71309)	2/4/2003 9:37:17 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

King Abdullahs uncle, who had been next in line in Jordan has been involved in the Iraqi exile movement. Win, did you somehow stumble on to the truth here. or did you know that factoid already? Constitutional monarchy anyone? Re: the Klein article. Perhaps there was majority support for a deal in the Palestinian community pre-Infitada--it doesnt exist now at all. And Nadine's numbers about Israeli acceptance of such a deal are probably too high as well. The only hope i hold is that in two years, the Palestinians may come to their senses and both nations will have new leadership who politically will be able to strike a deal.. Sadat and Begin come to mind as unlikely peacemakers. What we need now is a two year cooling off period--no terror, no new settlements and a withdrawl from the indefensible outlying settlements by Israel. Thats the best i can come up with. Mike

To: Win Smith who wrote (71309)	2/4/2003 9:39:45 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

it will lead to the collapse of the wobbly Hashemite monarchy in Jordan and the establishment of a Palestinian state on that nation's East Bank..."There is a Palestinian state - Jordan". Win, you do realize that Jordan had a major battle with the PLO over this problem and kicked Arafat out of Jordan to Lebanon. It is a major consideration. This last summer, about 80,000 Palestinians a month were moving into Jordan, and they closed the border. They finally made people coming in put up a $1400 deposit to make sure they would move out again. Yes, Jordan is a Palestinian state. The people are identical. They just can't handle all the Palestinians! Too bad.

To: Win Smith who wrote (71309)	2/4/2003 12:54:07 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

That "wackiest scenario" used to be the conventional Israeli line, as I understand it, e.g. "There is a Palestinian state - Jordan". Since Jordan was a) part of the Mandate of Palestine, b) considered itself for many years as part of the same country as the rest of the Mandate, c) has the same Arab population (80% Palestinian, 20% Bedouin) as the rest of the Mandate, and d) the only Arab state to give citizenship to the displaced Palestinians, the description "Jordan is a Palestinian state" is true whether the Israelis push it or not. Jordan fought a civil war in 1970 to determine whether the PLO or the Hashemites would rule this state. The Hashemites won, and killed 5,000 or more Palestinians to prove their point (estimates vary). Now King Abdullah sits on the throne with a Palestinian queen.