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To: paul_philp who wrote (62910)2/5/2003 5:44:25 AM
From: rkral  Respond to of 77400
 
What a bunch of Huey, er .. er, hooey!! <ggg>

My reply at (#reply-18537432) on the ESO thread.

Regards, Ron



To: paul_philp who wrote (62910)2/5/2003 11:16:01 AM
From: Stock Farmer  Respond to of 77400
 
Yet another version of the "we don't know how to value them, so obviously we should continue to pretend they are worth Zero" argument.

Three cheers for status quo.



To: paul_philp who wrote (62910)2/5/2003 2:54:57 PM
From: hueyone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
Valuing Employee Stock Options WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING ABOUT BLACK-SCHOLES...

Hi Paul. Your SIA link has given me some 40 quotes to respond to. Since I am limited in time, let me respond that currently I am having trouble even getting past SIA’s headline that emphasizes and capitalizes “WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING". This is a presumptuous heading imo, but I suppose no more presumptuous than the experts I can offer in rebuttal.<g> Also, let’s please bear in mind, that considering member companies of the Semiconductor Industry Association have been feeding off the trough of free options and overstated performance for many years, the opinions of those they drag out as experts should come as no surprise to anyone.

So let’s trade “experts’ if you will, and I will take the same liberty as SIA did and capitalize my heading as well:<g>

"WHAT MOST EXPERTS ARE SAYING--- INCLUDING THE 1997 NOBEL PRIZE WINNER ON OPTIONS PRICING"

OPTIONS SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE BOTTOM LINE

By ZVI BODIE, ROBERT S. KAPLAN and ROBERT C. MERTON

Snip 1:There are some issues on which accounting and finance professors disagree, but the expensing of employee stock options is not one of them. Despite the pronouncements of a few renegades in our disciplines, we believe there is near unanimity of opinion among scholars in the fields of accounting and finance that the value of employee stock options should be expensed on a firm's income statement at the time they are granted.

Snip 2:Third, some argue that employee stock options are worth less than publicly traded options because employees do not gain full ownership of the shares for several years (called the vesting period) and the company may place restrictions on employees' selling their options. But a firm's financial report reflects the perspective of the firm and its shareholders, not the entities with which it contracts. This principle is so fundamental that it is usually taught on the first day of an introductory accounting course. Therefore, the value of the stock option to the company is its cost -- the cash forgone by granting the options to an employee rather than selling them to external investors -- not its value to the person who receives it.

For entire body of article click here:

online.wsj.com

Mr. Bodie is a professor of finance at the Boston University School of Management. Messrs. Kaplan and Merton are professors of accounting and finance, respectively, at Harvard Business School. Mr. Merton won the Nobel Prize in 1997 for his work on option pricing.

More later and thanks for the post.

Regards, Huey