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Politics : Foreign Policy Discussion Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Machaon who wrote (3442)2/6/2003 9:59:03 AM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 15987
 
I take zonder at her word, that she is resistant to a pre- emptive war. Remember, Europe has experienced two major blood- lettings in the last hundred years, and has grasped hold of two concepts as prophylactic: international law and multilateral institutions. International law holds as a bedrock principle that aggressive war is illegal, and that the only justification is self- defense, or war waged in aid of persons being attacked. Pre- emption contravenes that, by asserting that an existential danger is sufficient reason to attack, even though the threat is inferential. Since this is, in fact, in essence defensive war, it is not clearly in violation of the spirit of the principle, but it does expand the notion of legitimate defense. The threat of unilateralism creates even more alarm, since there can be no international law without an institutional framework, and therefore a refusal to respect the existing mechanisms through which such matters would be decided seems to introduce an element of lawlessness. Of course, ultimately the United States has attempted to work with the United Nations, but without giving up the right to unilateral action.

You and I understand that there is no real international law, absent a sound framework for adjudicating and enforcing agreements, and certainly nothing that supercedes the sovereign duty of the United States to protect its citizens from further attack. The United Nations charter is not a suicide pact. We have ample reason to fear further weapons development in Iraq, and to challenge the United Nations to either enforce its decisions or step aside. Such notions are anathema to many Europeans.....



To: Machaon who wrote (3442)2/6/2003 7:38:07 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Respond to of 15987
 
The zonders of the world like to look legitimate, while they pursue their own private, devious goals.

I think we've had just about enough of that Robert.

Lord knows that Zonder and I have had our "spirited" debates, but in no way do I believe she has "devious goals"..

So lighten up with ya?? Y'all are bringing me down with these conspiracy theories... :)

Hawk